Russia and Ukraine Conflict

What international law?

Conceptually, international law is about as useful as speaking with a cow and expecting them to understand what you said.

The main reason why the West is hesitant to act harshly is because Putin has nuclear weapons and seeing what he’s done so far he’s likely to invoke that option if the West fought back. China and India are not acting directly because they don’t want to damage their relationships with Russia but I can sense some hesitancy (at least from a face value, who knows what the CCP is thinking on the inside) from China about what Russia is doing.

Besides, if Russia is allowed to run amok against international law, the West not reacting will only justify their move into Ukraine and throw any law and order into irrelevance.

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Indeed. Western leaders would rather have Putin make the first move on a NATO ally than NATO forces intervening in Ukraine.

Also, this eerily seems familiar to the start of World War II when Nazi Germany annexed Austria and invaded Poland, Czechia and Slovakia.

It was a question I have no idea. I don’t really understand why Russia have done this in the first place.

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I find myself in agreement with @KICK-IT in this particular conflict

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I mean a country is invading a sovereign nation - either you support that or you don’t.

If you support it then you support Australia being invaded.

I can’t really see how there is two sides here. Unless you are Putin

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Heck, even my Russian mate is in shock of this and doesn’t agree 100% with Putin. From what I’m sensing on social media, there’s a sizeable number of Russians are who not happy at all.

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Depends on whether you believe Ukraine is a threat to Russia or you believe Ukraine will be joining NATO.

Yep… this really is the first war where we have seen social media platforms dominate. But we need to remember that some information being posted can be inaccurate and not factually correct.

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How does that justify Invading a sovereign nation?

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Neither is true and doesn’t justify an invasion by Russia despite that Kremlin organisation trying to spin that as a ‘special military operation’.

Putin and his ministers are just a group of miserable dinosaurs who dream of returning to the days of Stalin and the USSR. Someone needs to give them a reality check that it ain’t happening.

Iraq were a sovereign nation too, but we went there. There is over thirty years of politics at play here and I am suspicious of both sides - East/West.

I am eager to see what impact the West’s sanctions have over the Russian Federation’s leaders and supporters.

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I mean… we could go back to talking about the coverage rather than the event itself

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I think with the way this is going we could have two threads, one for coverage and one for discussing the event itself (which could be one of the most significant geopolitical events in decades).

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Bring on the second thread! hahaha

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I’ve seen a few comments on social media seemingly supportive of Russia’s actions. Unsurprisingly there seems to me to be links with those who’ve played down covid, tend to be anti government in one way or another, climate change deniers, Trump followers and so on. It’s too simplistic to say they’re just conservatives or of the right, because that tars many people who aren’t thinking that way.

Probably the same people that say 5G causes cancer? :thinking:

That’s a really interesting observation. I tick pretty much all of those boxes to some extent and believe Russia’s actions in this particular conflict are justified. A couple friends think in similar ways on most issues including Russia/Ukraine. Generally I consider myself as conservative/libertarian with conspiratorial leanings.

Some other friends with similar views are firmly on Ukraine’s side. The main differences in viewpoints politically is that they’re more strongly wedded to the Coalition, less conspiratorial, and more accepting of the mainstream view of COVID. And my more left-leaning friends are either on Ukraine’s side or not saying.

The common thread in my social circle for support of this particular Russian action seems to be belief in various conspiracy theories (new world order / Agenda 21 / COVID bioweapon etc). Everyone else is on Ukraine’s side.

If you’re interested at all, I support this particular military action because I support the right of the Lugansk and Donetsk people to separate from Ukraine and have their own nations, and I support their right to get assistance from Russia to achieve this. I would like to see this done swiftly and with minimal casualties if at all possible.

In regards to Vladimir Putin. I have mixed feelings about him and suspect he would like to remake the USSR and I would oppose that, but I don’t think his motivation for this action is that. I genuinely fear that Putin is one of the biblically prophecised leaders who will cause a giant war and many many many deaths right before the second coming of Jesus, but I can believe that of him while occasionally agreeing with him as well.

I’d love to see wars cease forever, but I don’t think it’s within human nature to achieve such a thing. We’re too territorial and tribal for that. Eternal peace will take an act of God.

I fully expect most people here to disagree with almost everything I’ve written. I respect your right to your views and I hope to not inflame tensions in this thread with my views.

What is it you exactly agree with? Or is this just an uneducated post? Most Russians aren’t even in agreement with what Putin is doing.