The LCN-8 range for Nine affiliates (and the LCN-5 range for Ten affiliates) is the correct one, it’s all the others that have it wrong.
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Everyone I know scrolls up and down the EPG to change the channel. They look for the channel names, not the numbers. I don’t think it matters what the LCN is of a particular channel.
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Not me, I always use the LCN’s to change channel. Usually because it’s too many steps or I have to choose my moments to avoid the wrath of the toddler when I change from ABC Kids to Seven Tasmania (on 60)
Interesting I’m noticing a lot more promos for shows which I haven’t seen before including tonight’s Interview and Thursday night football which are all in the SC style and not Seven. No idea what they’re playing at!
They really should for consistency. WIN should also change 60/66 and 50/55 to 61/62 and 51/52 in their SA market as well. No idea what they were thinking with that numbering scheme.
Well if we are being pedantic, they are following the correct LCNs, and almost every other region is not!
Something weird. I mean, it sort of makes sense if you look at it as
5: main channel
50: HD secondary channel
55: secondary channel
Actually yeah it makes no sense. 
Quick question - is Ten SA fully branded as WIN, or is it also a dirty feed of ADS10 from Adelaide and branded as Ten? I ask because of the tendency to use the names WIN Ten and Ten SA interchangeably, which tends not to happen for other WIN-branded stations.
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Yes, fully branded as WIN/WIN HD.
Tricky one! Last time I was in WIN territory, Ten branded ads for programs were still getting through, but its all definitely branded WIN and has been since day one of the affiliation agreement. Their huge watermark isn’t covering up any Ten logos underneath however (except for recovery mode weekly).
SES/RTS was the sole commercial broadcaster in these areas until 1st January 2004 when a second channel, WIN Ten as it was officially branded, launched. SC launched Southern Cross Ten in GTS/BKN territory on December 31st, 2003. This is why people still throw around “WIN Ten” even though on air since July 1 2016 it has been WIN and nothing else, and would now be incorrect to refer to it as WIN Ten
WIN SA is a bit more interesting compared to Southern Cross GTS/BKN in that WIN SA has both been a Seven, Nine and Ten affiliate all at the same time, and WIN SA has also been a Seven only, Nine only and Ten only affiliate.
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Is GDS/BDN a relay of Nine Adelaide or Nine Sydney? I would have assumed Adelaide for time zone and news reasons, but I’m sure I read that their feed (originally at least) came from Sydney, and if so, all timings on network promos would be incorrect for this market.
IIRC (my last time in SCTV territory was a few years ago) GTS is a (clean?) feed of Seven Adelaide while GDS and SGS are dirty feeds of Nine and Ten Adelaide respectively. All three have local ads. Cannot confirm SGS though.
I presume BKN, BDN and SCN are the same dirty feed and local ads but with the Sydney stations.
Pretty sure they’re the same as GTS, SGS and GDS. Broken Hill is on SA time.
By local ads do you mean that each area (eg. Port Pirie, Port Augusta, Port Lincoln) has localised ads? - I thought they all took the same feed ads and all.
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Forgot about that…
I intended “local” as “not from the dirty Adelaide feed” and I presume it’s one set of ads for the entire broadcast area as it would simply be easier. But don’t quote me on that one.
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GDS was a 9 Sydney feed in the beginning because they couldn’t negotiate a deal with the WIN-owned 9 Adelaide at the time. I believe it changed to a feed of 9 Adelaide soon after WIN sold it.
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2BH and Hill FM are owned by Bill Caralis so I’m guessing they get the Super Network news from Sydney or wherever it comes from.
As SC has nine (?) channels in Broken Hill, I wonder if they would think of putting one of the Sydney news services on say 9Gem, 7Two or One.
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Now more than ever, with “Nine” and “Seven” being branded as such in nearly all markets going into the future, they should just get rid of the ridiculous old LCN guidelines and set them to their proper locations on LCN 7/70-79 and LCN 9/90-99 regardless of which company operates the channel.
The regional markets that overlap with a metro area can have the 5/50-59 and 8/80-89 ranges continue, but there’s literally no point everywhere else.
In North QLD, we’re 1300km away from the nearest “metro” market, yet we still have to deal with “Channel Nine” being on 5 … it’s such a backwards system they had to have a bloody ad campaign on TV and radio (“Channel 9, number 5 on your remote”) for the better part of 1 year.
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Your exact words were “people in regional areas are always suspicious that the cities have it in for them”. That’s a pretty big lump.
Now, a few things to note - broadcasters have been employing tactics to appear local when not for generations. For a decade Ten broadcast its Perth news from Sydney. Were there people in Perth who didn’t realise? Of course there were. For many years the Midday Show with Ray Martin was broadcast some days from Sydney and partly from Melbourne - did most of the audience realise? Hardly. I imagine there are a lot of Melbournians who don’t realise The Project comes from Sydney on the weekends. For over 10 years, one of 2Day FM Sydney’s biggest breakfast presenters was actually broadcasting from Melbourne.
Broadcasters do compensate when localised content is not local - no doubt. That is in part to placate the audience. However the “confusion” is absolutely not confined to Australians who happened to live outside Sydney or Melbourne.
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Agreed. Broken Hill was connected by rail to Adelaide first in 1889 by the existing Silverton Tramway (despite name, it was a railway, not a tram). Broken Hill was eventually connected via separate rail line to Menindee only in 1919 and was not connected to the NSW network proper (and by extension, Sydney) until 1927. So in terms of origins, Broken Hill has had much closer ties with Adelaide and SA.
The connection is quite apparent when looking at the aforementioned time zones (Broken Hill on SA time) and the post-aggregation broadcast markets including Broken Hill as regional SA.
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So you’re agreeing that I didn’t call anyone an idiot?
I stand by my original comment - people in regional areas should be suspicious about how the decisions of big companies and governments will affect them - history shows that a lot of those decisions have resulting in lost jobs and other negative impacts to regional areas.
The point is that if SCA are indeed making this change without any loss of jobs locally, they need to PR manage it well so that speculation and misinformation aren’t spread cause damage to the brand.
You’re point? I never said it does. It sounds like you’re supporting my statement that it’s hard for the average person to know what is and isn’t local.
Yup - I never said you did. You inferred it by saying the following:
- “locals have very little appreciation for what is already done out of their local area”
- “plenty of people in Alubury, for instance, still think that Prime news is done our of their tiny office on Dean St.”
- “there is a danger some inexperienced journo will find out that presentation etc are done out of Canberra and write a fake news story” (!!!)
- “the locals, most of whom don’t know any better, would believe it and hate Seven for taking away local jobs”
I lived in regional towns and worked in regional media for many years - the above in offensive clap-trap.
I the vast majority of jobs loss speculation is confined within this website.
To restate my point, you have discussed purely the thought process of regional people and you made the direct comparison between regional people and the “cities”. By doing so, you have introduced an argument that there is a difference between these two groups. Your original point did not discuss “average people” but “regional locals”. In making the distinction you’ve drawn on no facts whatsoever, which is absolutely fine as the majority of comments on this site are opinion. However, don’t delude yourself that your opinion is in any way a fact. That is actually fake news!
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I reckon about 24 hours of confusion, then everything will be fine. Southern Cross is already plastered with Seven logos and mentions of Seven all day. Many, many TV stations have changed their name, without any change in ratings.
A few that spring to mind:
- Channel 8 Darwin changed to 9
- TV0 Brisbane changed to 10
- Channel 0 Melbourne changed to 10
- Channel 7 Canberra became “Capital 7” then “Capital 10”, then “Capital” then “Ten Capital” then “Southern Cross Ten” then “9”
- Channel 7 and 10 Adelaide swapped
- The 0-28 Network became SBS
- Sunshine Television became Seven Queensland
- Vic television became WIN
- Tas TV became WIN in Hobart
- Tas TV became Southern Cross in Launceston
- Midstate Television became Prime
- TV-8 became Southern Cross
- GTS/BKN Central became Southern Cross
I have every faith that Tasmanians will cope. I also think they will call it “Southern Cross” colloquially for many years to come.
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