Nah. You jumped to that conclusion all on your own. 
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The guy has said some pretty extreme things.
Iâm not saying what Getup is doing is fantastic, but heck, itâs allowed.
If Firetorch cared so much about electoral integrity he would also be railing against Christian organisations which to this day still lobby governments against same sex marriage, when 75% of the electorate is pro-SSM. The only reason GetUp elicits such a strong reaction is because itâs his side losing out this time.
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One side of politics hates one of the more loudmouth figureheads of the other. As has occurred all throughout history.
There was similar backlash against Gillard from the right. Ditch the Witch is 100x more intolerant than anything Getups ever done.
I donât understand this outrage.
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Well, perhaps we have different views on what âoutrageâ actually is. Personally, I donât view a âLOLâ as outrage.
No there wasnât. I never heard anyone with any prominence say Gillard was a âthreat to democracyâ.
Youâre comparing one lunatic with a home-made banner, to a political organisation, very often portrayed as quite benevolent (rather than the nasty far-left outfit it really is) raising hundreds of thousands of dollars in a targeted campaign?
Only one side of politics says an elected MP is a âthreat to democracyâ. You donât have to be outraged that GetUp has appeared totally moronic with this quote, just accept it and move on.
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Exactly. In reference to your statement on an elected MP. Not in reference to that particular politician.
Well, what a sparkling contribution to the discussion, and reply to my original post then. Iâm sure you have some other pertinent details from Cuban or Zimbabwean politics too.
Presumably you agree that an elected MP in Australia, such as Peter Dutton, is not a threat to democracy then?
Hard to tell who is losing actually with this one, both sides claiming to have a majority, both sides claiming to be victims of bullying. Both sides making outrageous claims and completely misrepresenting each other and nobody actually wanting to talk about the issue and instead trying to drown out each other and be the most offensive they can and nobody wanting to actually test what the true numbers are for fear of losing or inciting more hatred from people who seem to have forgotten how to debate and how to be people and to look after people.
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You presume left wing politics to be inherently dangerous on a daily basis on this site. I donât think anyone here has necessarily ever said the equivalent about the right on this site.
I donât think youâre in a position to be chastising others for their so-called extreme views, Iâm sorry.[quote=âando9185, post:467, topic:1123â]
be the most offensive they can and nobody wanting to actually test what the true numbers are for fear of losing or inciting more hatred from people who seem to have forgotten how to debate and how to be people and to look after people.
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Let me be able to actually have the same rights as straight people, and Iâll shut up then.
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Weirdly, this post of yours wasnât displaying before.
Sure, itâs allowed. Iâm also allowed to highlight how utterly moronic they sound in saying Dutton is a âthreat to democracyâ while doing it.
You ask whether I care about electoral integrity - youâre hyperventilating about this issue but have missed the fact I simply, upon reading the news report, found a hilarious example of GetUp attacking Dutton and thought it of note to post in this thread.
Hard with this new board we have, but Iâm pretty sure over the last decade Iâve said I very much dislike these entrenched lobby groups in the Australian political scene, like the Australian Christian Lobby.
As for Christian organisations and same sex marriageâŚwell, if Christian organisations said a same sex marriage bill passed by the Parliament by elected MPs was a âthreat to democracyâ, then Iâd be laughing equally as hard.
Finally, GetUp has not elicited a strong reaction at all, I simply posted LOL. In fact, I drew your attention to that fact a second time too. Third time, and I suspect youâre simply trolling. And I have no idea what âmy sideâ is and what Iâm âlosingâ. Can you be much more specific with your posts please?
Which is why youâre still posting several hundred word theses on the matterâŚ
LOL.
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What are my extreme views?
Come on, list them.
Letâs see you wriggle out of this one mate.
What are my extreme views.
See, this is what you do EVERY SINGLE TIME I try to post in these forums.
Literally every single person in Australia would consider calling an elected MP a âthreat to democracyâ one of the more stupid things theyâve ever heard of.
You then poke, twist, mock and troll me into these long-winded discussions where I even have to defend the fact I posted something.
And then you top it off with an insanely personal attackâŚagain, I ask you politelyâŚwhat are my extreme views.
Then why not argue for that rather than instead having the entire lobby trying to tear down Christianity who are actually some of your biggest supporters believe it or not. There are many Christians for SSM just as there are many atheists against it. Therefore religion has not much to do with it and many of the arguments from those against SSM have been saying that all along.
We are all people and we all have the right to be treated equally and heard equally and we all have our opinions formed from our own wide range of beliefs and experiences and bullying, name calling, deliberately pissing people off is not likely to change those views from either side.
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You characterise any remotely left-of-centre view as looney, shrieking, misguided. You have previously referred to any left wing view as âdangerousâ. (not willing to spend my Sunday morning sorting through old posts sorry). I donât think the same can be said for many of my generation (broadly left wing), who hold quite reasonable views.
Youâre a Trump supporter, which puts you in company of roughly 5% of Australians.
You once said Pauline Hanson âis genuineâ.
Three examples off the top of my Sunday morning alcohol-muddled brain. Now I donât particularly like the direction this conversation is heading, so Iâll leave it at that. [quote=âando9185, post:473, topic:1123â]
Then why not argue for that rather than instead having the entire lobby trying to tear down Christianity who are actually some of your biggest supporters believe it or not.
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No one is looking to put a stop to Christianity. Anyone can still believe whatever they want.
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Itâs a forum, not a one-way conversation.
If I put forward a view which is controversial, I know full well the onus is on me to defend my viewpoint, or read counterarguments and reconsider.
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This is simply false. To pick a nice juicy obvious rebuttal - I posted my very strong support for the Coalitionâs left-wing bank tax last month on this site.
No, Iâm not a Trump supporter. You perhaps might mean that I have been in the past critical of the US media, who has covered US politics horribly over recent years, and Hillary Clinton and her woeful campaign.
What on earth is this. I barely talk about Pauline Hanson here. I may have noted at one point what her appeal to some people is - that she appears genuine. Talk about twisting a minute observation!
âŚI still have no answer on what my extreme VIEWS actually are. All youâve done is thrown together false information, and then highlighted some occasion where I havenât absolutely steam-rolled someone right-of-centre as being worse than Hitler.
What are my extreme VIEWS, matlock?
Hah, there you go again. You make a remark as if I somehow assume that it should be a one-way conversation - youâve done this in the past too. You throw out a false flag and then wait for a rebuttal.
So, with this post, youâre actually saying that me highlighting GetUp is crazy for calling Peter Dutton a âthreat to democracyâ⌠CONTROVERSIAL? Seriously? And then I have an onus to RECONSIDER?
Jesus Christ. This is some insane next level stuff.
Dutton holds extreme views:
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Last post on the topic from me.
GetUp is bonkers crazy for labeling an elected MP in Australia a âthreat to democracyâ. I also think this is aggravated by the fact, at the same time, they are pouring in hundreds of thousands of dollars to battle against one elected MP. I am not saying it is illegal, but it just further highlights their hypocrisy.
Further, I know some people have personal issues with Dutton and therefore get emotional about things, but I will not tolerate having smears thrown at me regarding âextreme viewsâ when actually my views are anything but.