Eurovision Song Contest

Apart from 2017 and 2018 when we had weaker songs, Australia did fairly well in the televote. At the last contest in 2019 we came 7th in the televote at the final.

In the semis also we have done well with the televote, apart from 2017 when we came 15th in the televote because Isaiah botched a note towards the end of his performance, in 2018 Jess was 7th in the televote in the semi and in 2019 we were 2nd in the televote.

So the answer is not quitting but choosing better songs and singers.

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Yes, such amazing results like

Face it - Europe doesn’t want us there.

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Like I said those 2 songs were really weak. Our 2019 result proves that if we send quality staging and songs we get rewarded (Kate won her semi and came 6th with the juries and 7th with the televote in the final).

We came 7th in the televote and you call that rewarding?

You know there’s 25 countries competing right?

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Yes.

42 countries competed in Eurovision 2109. From that we actually won the second semi-final and then ranked 7th in the televote (9th overall) in the final. That is a pretty amazing result that almost anyone country would be happy with yet somehow you are trying to spin that into an argument that “Europe doesn’t want us there.” :roll_eyes:

I guess there will always be people like you have the most ridiculous unrealistic expectations.

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With Australia now out of the Eurovision Grand Final, are we still be able to vote for the Live Final for the countries still in it, or not? If so, who will be our representative of the tally votes (Lee Lin Chin and Ricardo Goncalves have done it before).

That hasn’t stopped the UK from returning every year and funding it, even when they come last and many other times close to last. :laughing:

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Not to mention there are many countries that keep participating and never won Eurovision

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7th in the televote is very good when you take into account the number of acts and also the bloc voting.

I think there is a path to winning for Australia with an exceptional song. If there are 2 or 3 other good songs from different bloc countries that are close to equal in their appeal then they will almost cancel each other out in a way. If the Australian song scores highly (2nd, 3rd or 4th) with countries across the various blocs there’s a chance.

This is almost what happened with Dami, she scored highly across a broad range of voting countries.

I’m going to play devils advocate though in that even if there wasn’t the political controversy which granted Ukraine that win, I still think Dami would have come second that year - behind Russia. The Russian song was absolutely awesome and I think most of the votes that went Ukraine’s way would have swung behind Russia.

It would have been close and we’ll never know but my gut feel is Russia would have won, Dami still second.

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The discussion/debate we’re having gets to the heart of the question about Australia’s involvement in Eurovision - what is the ultimate goal behind it?

If it’s just to boost Australia’s interest in the competition (and add an extra dimension to it), not only have we done well over the years (this year aside) but we’ve arguably ‘punched above our weight’ a few times. If the goal though is for Australia to eventually win, the televoting disadvantage we have is a serious issue. Yes we came 7th in 2019 but we came last the year before and 2nd last in 2017. Heck, even the year Damni In was runner-up (2016) we came 4th. The brutal truth is Australia can’t win until and unless there’s an entry which gets into the top 3 with both the jury voting and the televote - we don’t have the geographical/political televote advantages which can ‘lift’ a song which doesn’t do as well in the jury voting.

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Yes we can vote. Every country participating votes.

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It was plain to see for everyone that we wouldn’t make the final this year. It’s disappointing for Montaigne but it is the song choice. It’s not a bad song it’s just not Eurovision worthy.

Coupled with the fact Australia was ‘live on tape’ - we had no hope. I don’t understand why we couldn’t send a small delegation. People can get exemptions to travel and travelling for work is a legitimate reason. It just came across as lazy and not committed.

Marise Payne was just in London a few weeks ago. Mathias Cormann travelled the world lobbying for his OECD position. Film, tv actors and news journos are still travelling.

We could have travelled there to perform.

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Maybe it’s due to the fact SBS didn’t think the performer and/or song choice was Eurovision winning and couldn’t justify the overseas spend.

They knew they had a dud on their hands and decided to cut loose when they could.

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Agree. SBS knew it was likely the song wouldn’t even make the final so they didn’t want to send people. If it was Dami’s song they would have gone.

You’ve got to balance that with appearing disinterested though. It’ll be hard to come back from this in the couple of years we have left.

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EBU confirmed that the rest of the delegation has again tested negative for COVID-19.

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I highly doubt that anyone is going to hold what happened this year against us in a years time. If we have a good song or entrant we have nothing to worry about like every other year. If we have a not so great song and entrant then we won’t qualify. Simple as that. I actually think more often than not after a bad year you have more to prove so are more likely to come back fighting the next.

The thing with Montaigne’s performance was that they made it so obvious that it was playing on screen at the end of the performance followed by an interview from back home, rather than make it look like it was in studio. That killed any chance of her scraping in.

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Don’t forget that Sony is part of this as well. One goal is to sell music.

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