Looks like they got to people quick. If the pub had the proper list it wouldâve been even easier. Letâs hope these people didnât travel much to other suburbs or at least many of the attendees at said pub self isolated once they heard about the outbreak.
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27,040 tests were conducted
That is good! Its great to see some many people getting tested. Hopefully more people do. That is the only way to eradicate the virus.
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Australia will not pursue an elimination strategy for coronavirus: Health Minister
By Marissa CalligerosFederal Health Minister Greg Hunt says Australia will not outrightly pursue an elimination strategy, but will continue to strive towards zero COVID-19 cases.
âThe Australian goal is very clear, weâve been trying to drive towards zero cases,â Mr Hunt said.
"In Victoria we had zero cases until the hotel quarantine breach one day in early June. We were at very low numbers - often below 10, often single digits - so we made that progress."Six out of eight states currently have close to zero cases, if not continuously zero. And the seventh, NSW, until this latest outbreak has had very close to zero cases.
"So weâve actually achieved extremely close to [elimination].
i think the more testing they do it will eventually just fizzel out to a point there is nothing left
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This is starting to become a bit ridiculous now. Australia is never going to open up or be able to move forward if certain states are going to close their borders at the drop of a hat every time that there is an outbreak or cluster. How can anyone even consider domestic travel when each state changes or backtracks on who can come in or out on a weekly basis? I understand for Melbourne at the moment (we canât even leave anyway) but the Sydney situation has not even escalated signifincantly and the NT/Qld Governments responses are extreme. Obviously these states have gone for elimination and at this rate will never open up fully.
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Without elimination we will be repeating this (ease restrictions -> more cases -> tighten restrictions -> reduce cases -> ease restrictions âŚ) over and over again, until (if) a vaccine is widely deployed.
Unfortunately the federal government has again today said itâs against elimination.
If Morrison doesnât change his attitude, he may be the reason the country canât return to normal.
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That pattern describes an elimination strategy more than a suppression. China has an elimination policy and they have cities and regions going in and out of restrictions, and im sure if NZ has a cluster they will do the same.
A suppression policy is like what we see in Europe where they are happy to have a manageable few hundred cases a day and keep borders open & restrictions lifted as long as it is within a level that hospitals arenât being overwhelmed.
Australian leaders say we have a suppression policy but are enacting an elimination policy, not saying i think its a bad thing, if elimination is within reach we should try to get to it. but if is slips out of reach there is a point we should switch to a more European model.
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For anyone who doesnât want repeated open/close periods, you want elimination.
It would require stronger ongoing restrictions (longer, mandatory quarantine periods & mandatory testing before release) for international travellers.
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Case breakdown
https://twitter.com/jodilee_7/status/1283256601097302017
https://twitter.com/jodilee_7/status/1283256838587211776
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âBut if we didnât do all this testing then we wouldnât have the casesâ
Sorry I couldnât help myself. Do you think all this testing is happening just to make Dan Andrews look bad? Haha
The contrast is stark. We have governments scrambling with small cases and over in the US with Donald Trump âthereâs nothing to see hereâ.
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The Public Health Unit at Liverpool Hospital were interviewing a COVID-positive woman while their counterparts at Nepean interviewed a man who had also tested positive.
âHe had reported he had been at the Crossroads Hotel so we went back and asked the woman at Liverpool if she had been to Crossroads and they had,â (NSWâs COVID-19 operations manager and epidemiologist Jennie) Musto said.
"From there weâve uncovered an additional 32 cases linked to the Crossroads Hotel and from there we have actually learned that the most likely link, supported by epidemiology, is that a man from Melbourne came into a workplace in Sydney and there was some transmission within that workplace and then they all went to a party the night of the 3rd of July at the Crossroads Hotel.
âSo this is where it all began," she said, with roughly six colleagues sharing a meal.
The man from Melbourne worked in the freight industry, but was not a truck driver, Ms Musto said.
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That doesnât add up⌠the total numbers in that tweet is more than 238.
I think youâve got it wrong, the main difference between elimination and suppression is that in elimination you go in and out of lengthy hard restrictions every time there is community transmission (ie China, South korea) with large economic and social damage every time. less people would be infected, but it isnât a realistic long term solution.
A strict quarantine system is not a silver bullet, China is willing to breach human rights to uphold a strict quarantine system and they still need to go into lockdowns to contain the spread.
Suppression it is less reactive to outbreaks, restrictions stay lifted, borders open and a level of community transmission remains (ie. Europe). More people get infected but there isnât the damage of the recurring hard lockdowns, making it a better long term strategy.
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(Putting aside possible disagreements or misunderstandings about terminologyâŚ)
Iâm thinking successfully eliminating the virus from the population (i.e. of Australia), strictly quarantining for 3 - 4 weeks anyone who wishes to enter that area (or in this case country), and requiring multiple negative test results (negative for at least 3 weeks) before being allowed into the population.
Why wouldnât that allow fully opening up domestically, and not having to re-introduce restrictions?
The restrictions are only needed when the virus appears in a population and so needs to be controlled. No virus, no (domestic) restrictions.
To be thorough (to be confident of actually eliminating the virus) such an approach probably needs large scale testing of the general population to ensure there arenât hidden pockets of the virus out there.
Elimination of the virus is possible to achieve in some states as of the current situation - it is possible states like NT and SA could be looking to achieve that goal.
For others like VIC, it is a definite no to elimination. Some who say elimination is the best option seem to believe that weâll get up to opening sooner, but it would take ages for VIC to achieve that goal.
Best to have some states working towards elimination, others at least aiming for suppression.
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so if the tables had turned and the liberals got into power here in victoria would they go along the same path as nsw ?? and depsite the large number of cases and the death here in victroria would they still keep with the easing of ristrictions even with the large numbers of cases in melbourne atm
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Obviously Jeff doesnât care about the healthcare system and what will happen if restrictions werenât reinstated.
At the moment Victoria and New South Wales are at different stages. Something needed to be done in Victoria - hence why weâre back in lockdown. NSW is not at that stage yet, maybe in a few weeks but who knows.
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