She deserved to win because she got the votes. Her game plan was nothing but bluff, bravado & delusion. I have no doubt in my mind that she had actually convinced herself that she did all the controlling but she was the biggest Patsy out there.
Iām not sure if she realised what the Jury were looking for and tailored her responses, which were a bit bumbling, but the Jury were looking for any reason not to vote for Lee & El and in her hamfisted way she did provide that.
Her entire game plan was also pure luck. Great it worked out for her after she took an unnecessary gamble, but she wasnāt controlling any vote until the end vote. I view her as more of a Bob winner from Gabon.
What was that Dorothy Dixer that El threw to Lee - something like āTell us Lee, what will be your first philanthropic act with the money?ā She must have though he was in trouble.
Will be interested to read any post show thoughts by some of the jury (Nick, Sam, Matt) gave the impression they couldnāt believe who they were voting for
I laughed at that. It was so terribly executed and transparent. Sam also got frustrated by Leeās response at trying to help smooth over his image. Lee just dug himself deeper.
Lee played terribly at that tribal. He should have come out all guns blazing with his sob stories and doing if for the kids spiel.
It would have been really interesting to see who they would have voted for out of Lee & El because anyone would have won against Lee or El in the end.
"Single father with 2 kids would usually play well, but it barely got a mention. Tribal was probably the first time Lee had mentioned his parents needed anything (in response to El). That result should snuff out anyone else trying the nice guy approach next season.
Would El have received any more votes than Lee if she had been chosen? She might have made a better presentation to the jury and challenged the statements that Kristie made.
According to Kristie, she monitored the placings in immunity challenges and deliberately tried to keep her performance to about 4th place. She reckoned that she would perform better than Lee and El in an endurance challenge.
That was a great finale tonight. Better than any American finale for a while. Iāve been really impressed with this season - it doesnāt feel lacking in quality at all compared with the American one. Looking forward to the next season as a nice fill-in between MasterChef and X-Factor starting.
Yes, bozos like Sam, Lee etc were annoying because they had no intention of playing the game (in fact, Leeās main concern tonight was how El looked at the final TC, lol) BUT it also meant there were contestants that the audience liked to hate. Too many irritating Nicks and it would have spoiled the season.
I could tell from last episode, when the jury was willing Kristie on to make a big move with Flick, and vote off either El or Lee, that there was alot of animosity towards those two. So no way were they going to win IF Kristie won that final challenge, which she did.
Obvious with the editing from the start of tonightās episode that Kristie had won. Too glowing, too positive, too much attention.
Kristie is not the strategist she makes out to be. Chris here is right - she actually voted, at the last tribal to have LESS power in getting to the final two. But she was good at Tribal tonight with her explanations. Nick summed Lee up nicely too.
However, I take everything back about Lee being a bully towards Kristie - her manipulative, bullying behaviour during that last challenge was SO unfair. Seriously, that was a major bitch move in making him feel guilty for competing.
But if she went with the others she still would have had to win the immunity. And if she went to the end with Matt or flick she would not have had the votes. Strangely, in a game played differently than the US, this was the best move that gave her the win.
Well you obviously didnt watch. She voted for Kate and Rohan. She knew Kat wanted Rohan gone and voted with her thinking Pheobe would use the idol on herself.
Oh dear. I never said she didnāt vote for Rohan. She was completed shocked at the outcome, which she apparently knew everytime someone was going home before hand. I was just poking holes through Krustieās Jury speech. It has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.
Um, she voted for Nick so I guess you didnāt watch hey Cookie. This was the time where Kate, Sam & Lee were peddling the good guys alliance. Lee & Sam actually sat Krustie down and clued her in the score, only for Lee to turn on his word. Krustie brought that hook line and sinker because daddy Lee spun that little charade.
I think that El would have also lost but might have got a couple more votes than Lee. Strategically they did the same things but she prob wouldāve edge him out a tad with her social game. I still think Kristie would have won though against anyone in the top 5. Almost every time I can think of in Survivor when there has been a dominant alliance with one outsider sneaking through to the end, that person usually wins.
Why is she saying stupid things like that? I donāt believe it. Itās another one of those things that is easy to say in hindsight. Firstly Lee and El outperformed everyone in endurance challenges previously so there is no way that she could be that confident that she could beat them. Also given she was so often in the firing line to go home and just scraped through on many votes, if her strategy was to keep losing challenges then thatās not smart at all. If she won an immunity at any point sheās not someone people would worry about being a physical threat cos sheās not.
You canāt honestly still think that a Flick/Matt pairing was anything close to the same as Lee/El? The couple would never have voted for each other. Flick and Matt were wishy washy and never closely aligned, and like I mentioned Matt had previously made clear how he would never vote Kristie out after she gave him the family letter. There is no question that with the path she took the only way of getting to the end was winning that challenge, the other would have still left opportunity if she lost the challenge. It doesnāt matter now cos she won anyway, but I think she would have beaten any of the F5 and at the time she definitely took the tougher path to the end.
I donāt really understand what you have taken from my comment. I am saying that against Matt or Flick in the final 2 they would have beaten her. Hands down.
There were two chickens at the camp on the final day. I wonder if they were returned to the farm or eaten by the crew?
Lee mentioned to News Corp yesterday that he collapsed on his own rather than as the result of Kristieās plea at the final immunity challenge. Could the result have been different had Kristie not pleaded?
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The one thing I DO NOT AGREE with is the twist they played. That was genius. Fishbach, along with others from the US survivor agree that this was a great twist. This was applauded by many traditional survivor fans, me included.[/quote]
What twist? What was genius? There was more than one twist so I canāt tell what you are talking about. I hope it wasnāt one where Jonathan lied to everyone about what would happen and destroyed his credibility from then on.
Well, Iām glad that Kristie won, mostly because I didnāt want Lee to win, but Iām shocked that she did. She came across so cold and calculating at the final tribal that I thought she wouldnāt get any votes at all. Leeās pure-as-the driven-snow pitch didnāt impress anyone.
The last immunity challenge was incredible. I canāt remember a better one. Apart from the drama of how it ended It was superbly edited to get across to the viewer how long they were out there. Watching it felt like a marathon.
I really liked the way they switched the tribes at a Tribal Council. But each to their own. It was applauded by a few past contestants from the US series. So I am not the only Survivor fan who liked itā¦
No one disputes that it was a big shock and had a big impact on viewers in the moment. The problem was that Jonathan lied at the immunity challenge. He said two people would be voted out so it was ābig stakesā. It was a bald-faced lie. Once the host lies he canāt be trusted again, and he did it again later, saying a winning team would be āsafe from the voteā when it turned out there was no voteā¦ If Jeff Probst was dishonest like that Survivor fans would riot in the streets and storm the White House. Have whatever twists you want, but donāt do it by the show itself lying and cheating.
That is pathetic. Are you saying the contestants should have considered the possibility that it might be a tribe swap after hearing that? So what were the ābig stakesā? Moving to another team? They should have realized it might mean that? You are being ridiculous. Thereās no way they could have thought anything but two people would be voted off the game. He lied to them.
I didnāt for one minute consider it a lie. It was just misdirection. If the contestants had been listening, it was the only time Johnathan didnāt followed the usual āwill be voted off speechā with āand one of you will be going home.ā So a clue to the night was there for those who were paying attention. Iām sure everyone will listen more closely in future
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