Sydney vs Melbourne rivalry

Good to see you improved yourself!

Being friendly in retail is important, people are more likely to be friendly back

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Unfortunately many people see you as ‘just a retail worker’ and therefore part of the lower class…thus a master/servant relationship develops with the worker expected to be subservient.

That’s a bit too Marxist I think…but has some element of truth to it nevertheless.

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That’s how I felt when people (often canberra public servants, unversity staff, etc.) would look down on me and treat me like I don’t matter, getting angry and impatient. Even worse was how they treated my co-workers who came from a different background and/or from another country etc.

But it’s all nonsense, no matter what job I have (or anyone has), or how many degrees I have etc., it doesn’t change me as a person or make me better/worse.

I really do hate this country (and the Canberra middle/upper class) for many reasons.

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Gee, you should travel a bit and see how retail workers are treated in most other countries. In my experience Australia is one of the better ones and is a much more egalitarian society than most.

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This is certainly true to an extent, depending on your nationality/background and gender.

Improvements can be made.

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Not a bad read… explaining how similar Sydney and Melbourne are in perspective.

Also states that both are twin cities to one another.

Horse shit.

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Got a lot of attention this morning.


The Guardian has a slightly different take.

Sydney will retain Australia’s most populated city crown for another decade, but come 2031-32, Melbourne is predicted to take the throne with 6.0 million, pipping Sydney by a couple of hundred thousand people. The lead may only last a year, with forecasts predicting both cities will have a population of 6.1 million in 2032-33.

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This is a huge amount of growth for both cities. Sydney and Melbourne to have an extra 1 million each in under a decade. Clearly a fast rail train between the two will be required.

I would also expect Australia’s population to reach the magic 30 million mark by this time.

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As usual, the real populations depend on the definition is of the city and where the boundaries are drawn.

Its interesting to compare how Australian numbers compare to the incorporated city populations in the US. For example, if Brisbane was in the US it would the 4th largest city, only slightly smaller than Chicago. While Sydney and Melbourne would be the 2nd and 3rd largest only behind New York.

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What? This doesn’t make sense. Greater New York (Metro area) has a population of 18.50 million and and Greater Sydney (Metro area) has a population of 5.50 million.

If Sydney or Melbourne were located in the USA, they would be the equivalent size as cities such as San Francisco or Boston.

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As I mentioned, it comes down to definition of city and where you draw the boundaries.

The United States Census designates populated regions of the country as ‘incorporated places.’

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I think Australia has larger cities because we include the suburbs in the population of the city and the US don’t . Might be wrong.

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Understand, but going off that link… Melbourne and Sydney’s population would be much smaller in comparison, as they are only taking into account the central business districts and inner suburbs.

The best comparison is to take into account the greater metro areas.

New York = 18.00 million
London = 9.00 million
Sydney/ Melbourne = 5.00 million

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Correct. In Australia populations are generally quoted as the metropolitan area population, in the US they more commonly quote the city ‘council’ area (or county, eg. LA county). So it’s not comparing apples to apples.

If Australia followed the same approach Brisbane would be the biggest city in Australia with over 1M contained in the city council boundaries (metro population 2.5M).

Anyway to compare with US cities you have to look up their metro area populations.

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Is bigger really better? those Melbourne peri-urban growth suburbs are very soul-less. Being bigger than Sydney isn’t something to be celebrate if it means we have to become more like Sydney to get there.

Yes correct.

For me though the biggest take out is that Brisbane will be 3 million by 2030 or so. This doesn’t include the 1 million or so on the Gold Coast by then. Bearing in mind that all of Gold Coast’s population is within 100km of the Brisbane GPO.

In the 80s Brisbane was about 1/3rd the size of Sydney and Melbourne. Now it’s 1/2. Not suggesting Brisbane will ever equal Sydney or Melbourne but the gap is narrowing with the greater SEQ population starting to rival the southern capitals over the next decade.

Yes, but really you need to draw the line between cities. The Gold Coast is its own city in its own right. Same as Geelong and Wollongong where both are not included in Sydney and Melbourne metro population figures.

True. But it’s debatable whether Central Coast should be included in the Sydney metro figures but it is. The Brisbane - Gold Coast area is far more a continuous metro area than Sydney - Gosford or Melbourne - Geelong. It’s literally continuous suburbia these days.

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