Not in these large numbers which would make them chart. Seems to be artificially skewed.




Prove me wrong. Why are obscure Burl Ives, Stevie Wonder and Elton John Christmas songs which never charted when originally released in the 1960s and 1970s charting for the first time in 2018?


Because people are choosing Spotify/Apple music playlists that feature those songs and are listening to them? Christmas songs have a much longer shelf life than ‘ordinary music’.

The whole landscape has changed, there’s more music than ever and you’re less at the behest of record labels so seasonal staples are always going to rise to the top at this time of year.


So these songs are only being played because they are being put on playlists not because people are specifically choosing to hear them.

So the chart is not a reflection of what people are choosing to hear or play but what someone else is choosing for them. That’s why measuring streams is an unfair measure of the popularity of these songs.

And you think record labels are not manipulating these playlists on streaming services? That would be naive.


I have a playlist of around 2000 songs I’ve compiled on Spotify. I hit shuffle and do I actively choose each one as it comes on? No. But by choosing to listen to that playlist I have made an active decision to listen to what comes up, unless I skip a song. I very rarely decide on a song by song basis what I want to listen. When I choose to listen to an album on Spotify then I’ve chosen to obviously listen to that, but there’s no difference between the streams and are recorded the same.

I think @JBar you’re trying to apply old school logic to a new age of music listening and I don’t mean that in a mean way, but you can’t simply decide or want to exclude streams if that is where the majority of people are listening, legally, to music. I can see where you’re coming from about it being “unfair” to an extent but streams can be turned off or songs skipped etc.

Oh I agree that playlists are being massaged by record labels and the whole idea of an algorithm choosing music for you to listen to is worrying, but that’s another matter.


But when people compare charts from today to the past then it’s an unfair measure. And they do it all the time from the chart compilers themselves to the media and record companies.

People say things like:

“Mariah Carey’s Christmas classic All I Want for Christmas is You has finally reached No.1 on the ARIA singles chart, 24 years after its chart debut. Remarkable.”

It’s not remarkable. It’s bogus.


It’s unfair to compare a lot of things that appear to be the same. TV ratings when there was just 4-5 options, sports teams/players, etc. Times change.


It took me a while to come to terms with streaming being compiled in the charts, and still personally feel that a song should be ‘released’ as a single to be counted for the chart but that is not likely to change anytime soon. The argument about playlists determining chart positions is semi valid as passive listening adds to streams, but if that was the whole thing then why are the other Christmas songs down the list and not as high up, people are making the effort to play at least All I Want For Christmas Is You, Last Christmas and Do They Know It’s Christmas.

The charts in the past were heavily rigged as well. There were many songs that were deleted so that people were forced to buy the next single or the album to get the song they wanted. When I started buying CDs, singles were $8-9 dollars, then they sold some, usually Aussie acts for $4.95 and that ended up being as low as 99c in an effort to encourage sales. Numerous record company employees have admitted to making deals and tradeoffs to get their acts played on radio, because you needed radio play to make sales and sales to earn radio play.

The chart shouldn’t be called the Singles chart, but it is a reflection of the way music is consumed now. Just as long as they don’t follow the US method of calculation and include radio plays.


So this week, in the UK, every song from 14 to 40 is a re-entry after the chart was polluted with “26 seasonal songs” last week.


5 Seconds of Summer becomes the first Australian act in 13 years to take out the highest selling single of the year, with Youngblood. The Greatest Showman soundtrack is the top selling album of 2018.


Elton John is performing in Bathurst, NSW next year at our local football ground! The whole town has gone crazy, I expect a majority of the town will be there. I don’t think we’ve ever had a world wide act here before.