Digital Radio

Pretty much a minute or two. But I cheated a little bit- had to Google the lyrics :wink:

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4BH has been showing Fox On The Run / The Sweet for at least 4 or 5 days.

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Anyway for the down in Melbourne ? :slight_smile: What is Magic stuck on?

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Showing “Playing” and nothing else on the slide show radio. The non slide show radio has no info at all.

The audio seems to have become incredibly processed too. Over the top. EDIT: Actually it was just with one song. They probably dubbed it from an excessively compressed “greatest hits” CD from recent times. The mastering of most CDs these days is woeful.

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Standard for Magic in Perth. Still sounding horrible :frowning:

Also no text.

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According to the FYSO 2019-23 Progress Report in relation to Digital Radio:

  • No interest has been received for formal DRCPs in several regional licence areas. The Gold Coast is the exception, which is due for consultation during Q2 2020 (Apr-Jun).
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The Kix Country website has Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast “in the pipeline”. So is Eon causing the delay on the Sunshine Coast, as Grant seems keen to move ahead with digital radio there.

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So does that mean the end of DAB+ in most regional centres? At least for now.

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We can only hope. The proposals from ACMA/CRN were awful. Hopefully this means they will either bury it or wait for technology to improve to cover regional areas properly without the need for hundreds of repeaters.

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Thank god I live in a metro area.

If I lived in regional Australia I wouldn’t listen to terrestrial radio at all with the extremely limited choices available. Surely radio is dead in regional areas unless they get some format choices out there by whatever means possible?

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In reality they are waiting for either/both of the Government splashing them with cash, making their flawed comparison to the Digital Television transition, or the Government rolling over and handing DAB the access to the 6th channel spectrum on Block A, which would require a partial restack of DTV in some areas to align that channel to VHF10 near metro centres.

That in turn would mean having to use UHF27 as the proxy for the ‘Block A’ unassigned channel, and make a future second television restack more difficult.

Freeing up the 600MHz band for 5G usage has to be the priority - both because it delivers a far better benefit to the public - not just taxpayer revenue from a spectrum sale, but also in getting better data services. On the other hand, DAB+ is spectrum inefficient in a valuable and congested part of the band. and is being used to block out competition - including on the FM band by stalling new commercial entrants (as seen with Perth in the doc above).

DRM+ is the only technology that can effectively and spectrum efficiently deliver digital radio to regional areas and local community/narrowcast broadcasting, the sooner this is accepted and an action plan for dual-standards receivers put in place, the better chance radio has of making a digital transition.

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hear hear!

DRM’s proposal of using 85-87mhz makes perfect sense for non-metro and on-channel MW DRM for country.

It is the only way forward.

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Guess it depends where you are.

2UE still needs work, but it going music is the best thing that could’ve happened in Sydney.

Fun Super Digi is good, but it’s a very small playlist that repeats every day, so length of time you can spend listening is limited before you get tired of hearing the same stuff over.

I listen to Coles Radio on DAB+ but not that often, I’m mostly listening to 2UE on AM when in Sydney.

Other than that, Sydney radio is boring to me, even given all the available variety on DAB+, I actually prefer to listen to Newcastle radio, funnily enough the 2 BOG stations of NEWFM & 2HD.

If I lived in a regional area with 2 BOG stations, I’d probably be OK, same if it was an area with Grants stations & would definitely survive with Capital Radio Network stations, but yeah, I wouldn’t listen to the radio at all, if I was in an area with 2 SCA stations, unless there was a good local community station on offer.

DAB+ in regional areas wouldn’t bring more variety where SCA is concerned, it’d just bring the same crap I don’t like in Sydney.

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Hmm to each their own but look at the choices not available in regional areas - Smooth, Hit Easy, Classic Rock, Soft Rock, Hard n Heavy, iHeart 80s and 90s. You don’t listen to any of these? I’m pretty sure regional listeners would love to have this choice. And towns with only 2 BOG stations or 2 ACE stations? Your choice is Top 40 with the odd 80s hit or Talkback. Yuk.

DAB in regional areas would certainly bring more choice in SCA markets! They would roll out classic rock, soft rock, easy hits, the list goes on!! I don’t really understand where you’re coming from. Do you only listen to the main Triple M and Hit stations in Sydney?

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But how long is that going to take to get into cars? A decade like DAB? Cars now largely have DAB so it’s ready to go. Not to mention streaming available in cars too. The industry doesn’t have time to adopt another terrestrial broadcast technology - people will already have moved on.

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Reading from his other posts, @RFBurns doesn’t listen to any SCA stations, no matter whether it’s in Sydney, Central Coast, Newcastle or anywhere else.

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The problem is, if you look at the proposed DAB rollout maps for regional areas there is no coverage of highways in many markets, so it doesn’t matter if the radios can go in the cars, in the spectrum that is available they can’t rollout that coverage.

There are solutions - but the radio owners just bluntly refuse the most workable ones - that is radio market aggregation and allowing a degree of overspill. By combining adjacent regional markets, you can use high power transmission sites and utilise the available capacity far more effectively, and then you could get those stations into the DAB+ cars.

On the actual question - it wouldn’t be that hard. Many radios would now be software defined, making adding DRM+ in many cases a software update, or one with minimal hardware changes.

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From the DRM submission to ACMA

"There are over 1.5million cars with DRM receivers on the roads of India. The DRM/AM Chinese made receiver Gospell is on sale and has sold well in Australia even if the price is relatively high. Moreover, a DAB+ DRM receiver is a reality and even for cars this is not a big issue any longer.

According to the largest chipset manufacturer for cars NXP, carmakers already offer radios with DAB support for Europe and also have radios which are supporting DRM for India. Both are based on the NXP’s SAF360x family (Saturn) - the market leading chip for digital radio in cars. And as a software defined radio solution this can be programmed to multiple standards, including DAB+, DRM, as well as others


Read more at: https://radioinfo.com.au/news/21-submissions-received-acmas-future-radio-consultation-analysis © Radioinfo.com.au

if you keep reading they basically say DRM could be added to most car radios when the car is next serviced
 yes
 as easy as that
 would the end user know the difference between DRM and DAB+ 
 NO

Will DRM give more opportunity to community and narrowcasters
 Absolutely

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Never mind digital radio, I’m pretty sure regional listeners would just love to have the same amount of AM or FM stations as those in the cities enjoy!

Of the various regional markets I’ve visited in recent years, probably the main commercial radio highlight was 2ST
and that’s only when they’re weren’t carrying the football or other networked content from 2GB!

Max FM 107.3 had great on-air personalities (including one former breakfast host who if I’m not mistaken, is a member of these forums! :wink:) and a fairly polished on-air sound, but a fair bit of the music wasn’t to my personal taste.

If I lived in a two station regional market, or even just somewhere where your choices are between SCA and SRN/BOG stations, I’d probably either be streaming or on community radio most of the time.

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Pretty sure you can stream all of those stations regionally if you want to, & isn’t streaming supposed to be THE way to listen & the death of radio now, but yet they still don’t rate with huge numbers.

Nope I don’t listen to any of those you listed, like I said, the only stations I listen to on DAB+ are Fun Super Digi & Coles radio, & it’s not very often, not interested in any of the others, I used to listen to Mix (iHeart) 80’s a few years ago on DAB+, but don’t even bother with that now.

Got bored with smooth that’s why I said 2UE came along with music just at the right time.

Unless I’m working on the TripleM FM or 2DAY FM TX & monitoring the audio, I don’t even listen to them at all.

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