Digital Radio - Technical

Can someone in the Gold Coast / Brisbane region kindly;

  1. Let me know if KIX Country has been replaced with iHeartCountry on the Gold Coast DAB+ mux & if the SId remains as: 4204?
  2. Also as it’s been almost 18 months since my last update of the DAB+ 9D Gold Coast DAB+ Ensemble an updated SId & program names/radio stations List would be greatly appreciated. This info is used for safe PI/SId code selections in SE Qld & northern NSW.

Thanks :slight_smile:

It’s definitely iHeart Country along with iHeart Countdown. Unfortunately the software I use doesn’t show Sid codes.


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Thanks for that. :+1: I’ll tentatively allocate the existing SId to iHeartCountry, but I can see plenty of station changes from your helpful list, but really need the SIds. There’s plenty of DAB+ software that displays this, but I know there are conflicts with drivers & dongles with some DAB+ software from my experience that can prevent or make it difficult to use other DAB+ decoding software. I’ll hope someone else can provide or it might have to wait until I’m up there next.

Probably need some DAB+ SId updates for Canberra & Mandurah too come to think of it….

I recall installing some software to do this after a previous request - I’ve forgotten what it was called. Any suggestions and I will give it a try.

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The simplest program to get working that shows the SId is from welle.io & still free I think. Works with the RTL-SDR dongles, which is what I use for my DAB+ reception.

You may have to install the RTL driver though & I can’t be sure if you have this already. Not sure what kind of SDR you use.

I have a few DAB+ software programs, QIRX is feature packed, but more complicated to get going & no longer free for latest version from memory.

Hope that helps :slight_smile:

Perhaps take a system image or make a restore point on your PC in case something stuffs up.

Thanks for offer to help.

Yeah, it’s particularly bad if you need DVB-T to work, as that restricts you to less featured drivers for the DAB/FM side of things.

Windows is awful at switching them around - multiple reboots at a minimum, and breaking it all at worst.

Thanks Moe. I obviously wasn’t the only one who experienced these issues in the past.

Rather than risk ‘breaking things’ in Windows perhaps trialing the RTL-SDR dongle with the appropriate suggested DAB+ software & driver on a separate PC would be better advised.

FM conditions were flat tonight, so i decided to do some DAB listening.

Its been a while, and gee 32 kbps audio music is hard to take after being on an FM diet for so long.

Its not like DVB-T2 or a 6th TV network or regional DAB is going to happen anytime soon, so why not free up 10A and 10B on the proviso that 64 kbps be the minimum bitrate for music.

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Yeah it’s terrible. AC/DC the other night on Triple M DAB just sounded like mush.

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Or Write a Letter to Free TV Australia about Pushing for DVB_T2 and Regional DAB.

Being based out in the sticks, I don’t see DAB exactly taking the world by storm out here. It might work out in bigger towns and small cities, but where everyone is spread out? It’ll be dropouts and dead air galore.

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Agree, particularly when nearby areas have to share channels.. I believe there was a plan for regional DAB muxes to be restricted to just 5kw to allow for channel sharing, which might cover Mildura town okay for instance, but coverage in say Robinvale or Ouyen or in between, not a hope.

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Agree 100%, 32 kbps is completely unlistenable in my opinion. I’d much rather go to the effort of chucking on spotify every time I get in the car than putting up with audio that bad. It sounds even worse than AM in some ways. ABC classic at 128kbps is the only station thats equal to or slightly better than FM, so it annoys me that much of the dab marketing talks about ‘better sound quality than FM’ when that only applies to a few ABC stations.

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I guess the only consolation is the most DAB only stations can be streamed and generally have higher bit rates / better sound quality, which kind of makes the DAB version a bit pointless.

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Which makes it kind of pointless to roll out DAB to regional areas, since i’d argue that DAB at 5kw would be no more robust than 4g in those areas, so why not just stream if the station you like isn’t on FM?

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I find sound 32bit stations sound better than ones with higher bitrates - most notable example is 4BH on 96kb. I think it might be because 4BH massages their audio to make it sound better on AM by boosting the treble which ruins the DAB sound.

A similar thing used to happen with AM stereo and the introduction of wide band AM receivers. The audio was tweaked to suit those with narrow band receivers.

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3MP in Melbourne is like that too, it sounds not good at all for the high bitrate they use. Overall, i’d say anything that’s not ABC on DAB sounds pretty bad

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Another thing to keep in mind is the associated data with each service (think slideshow, radio text) is encoded in within the audio stream. The 48 kbit/s that shows up in a receiver for a service may actually be 35kbit/s of audio with 10kbit/s of slideshow and 3kbit/s of radio text.

I don’t have a Windows install to hand, so I can’t take a screenshot –but it is possible to view the current audio bitrate in DAB Player. You’ll often find it’s a quite bit lower than you’d expect… especially on higher bitrate stations.

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4BH is 86.5 if I’m reading this correctly

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I guess you mean on DAB+. I tried listening to their online stream the other day. It was woeful. Way over processed, especially for an “easy listening” station. Some songs sounded hilarious with the amount of compression being used.