130 people were not home after testing positive, as reported by police.
What a fucking disgrace, like honestly.
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IMO keeping the economy running is just as important as reducing the number of infections. The stage 4 lockdown in NZ caused enormous damage to the national economy and it took around two months to recover. I donât want what has happened in overseas cities like New York and Los Angeles to happen.
Stage 4 lockdown means there will be no online learning as teachers wonât be allowed to travel to schools and universities. What are the students going to do?
This is the biggest concern. Potentially these 130 are further spreading while knowing they are positive.
But Iâm sure this will still be framed in some quarters as Danâs fault 
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I canât see any other way out of this than a stage 4 lockdown. If people had been complying then I think it could well have been avoided but seeing the selfishness and stupidity of people is what is causing the transmission. Seeing 1 in 4 people doorknocked yesterday were not at home when they should have been is disgraceful. No wonder itâs spreading. Having non-essential retail open is having people go to the shops for trivial things and by the sounds of things there are too many people out and about.
Seeing the people escaping Sydney to get into Queensland and the case of the three people into Queensland has me quite concerned for them.
12.07pm
NZ style lockdown still not the right fit says Sutton
By Tom Cowie
The idea of introducing a âNew Zealand-styleâ hard lockdown in Victoria has been a repeated question at the daily briefings.
Chief Health Officer Professor Brett Sutton has consistently said it wouldnât necessarily get the same results in Victoria.
âIt was different circumstances at a different time,â he says.
âWeâve got a lot more community transmission, bigger numbers.â
So whatâs the answer then? What do members here think needs to be done?
By not having 130 people out on the streets who have been tested positive to the virus. Thatâs a start
It was a week yesterday since masks become mandatory. Letâs wait and see what the numbers are like first in a few days to a week.
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The point the Premier seems to be indirectly making is that most of the industries that are the problem points are ones that would remain open - supply chains for the supermarkets, aged care facilities, etc.
So itâs hard to see much difference locking down that narrow segment of business that is currently open but could be deemed as non essential, above what is achieved by the mandatory masking policies.
If they think thatâs enough of a driver, then that should happen, but I think the approach of tackling the direct problem more directly - public nurses into public aged care, etc. will work about as effectively.
JohnsonTV is obviously wrong in framing this as an economic issue - the NZ shut down proves the opposite of the point he is trying to make. The full lockdown meant short significant pain, vs the slow strangulation of the economy with low consumer confidence in the US, which will be a total disaster as unemployment payment boosts expire and spending crashes.
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Technically though they have recovered quicker than Australia because they went into a stage 4 lockdown. Perhaps if Australia went into a stage 4 lockdown they too would recover quicker.
It is funny he has backflipped on this. Because when they went for the first lockdown back in March/April Victoria kept suggesting this is only the beginning. As if there was always the threat of a stage 4. Now a Stage 4 lockdown looks necessary they are suggesting it canât happen and wonât. I am not saying I agree with a stage 4 or not. They are the experts. But how long can we cope with 600+ cases a day? What happens if that doubles in two weeks?
we will see what happens on sunday. that will be if any announcments are made
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Well hopefully it isnât a case of acting too slowly and putting off the inevitable. I have always been of the philosophy of early intervention. And the Government hinted at stage 4 back in April. So I donât really understand why they havenât implemented.
If there are going to be big changes theyâve just got to do them now. The faster they happen the quicker we will see the impact of them. The fact that they arenât implementing anything straight away sounds like it will be further restrictions in particular settings, maybe in particular workforces, which is why they want to crunch the numbers rather than implementing big blanket rules.
You are about the 1000th person in the last 3 weeks to say this.
If there are changes to the rules itâs likely to be limits (or stops) to certain work environments for the coming weeks. Iâm predicting areas like retail, construction sites etc could be impacted. Then warehouse/distribution centres etc having restrictions on numbers on site at a time etc. I also think that there need to be harsher penalties for positive people that are not staying home. There should be severe consequences. That is probably the route of the problem at the moment as those are the people going to work sick.
I do really hope that masks will start playing out in the numbers in a couple of days especially in these workplaces. So hopefully we start seeing improvements from these before any further interventions.
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Chris I think your fairly on the mark going off the language used. Penalties will have to be increased and I hope quite significantly. The language used indicates that a metro wide shutdown is probably unlikely. As seen with Geelong, going down the location specific lockdown seems to be on the table.
DCs having certain numbers inside is in line with many other countries. Thatâs going to put a bit of pressure on Coles and Woolworths.
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I think close down meatworks facilities. and resource up to do more door knocking should be the next steps.
The strictest restrictions in the world are not going to be any use if there is not sufficient compliance and enforcement.
My concern with the attitude of âjust go into NZ full stage 4â is that is can only last a few weeks. The harsher the economy lockdown the shorter of a period it can last before society collapses. there is a danger you go into it too early, and have to lift restrictions just as hospitals are at breaking point. iâm not saying we should never go into stage 4 but we do need to hold some ammunition in preparation for a worst case scenario.
Note having people sick and dying from the virus wonât help the economy in any way. People make up the economy. Therefore we would need to put people first if we also want to see the best outcome for the economy.
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Exactly. Any corporation who cares at all about human health (although we know all too well that many donât at all) will agree thereâs no use having a good economy if there arenât the people to spend money in it.
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tell that to the govt. as i keep saying there is no point in saying stuff like this because none of the govt people are even on here
Well, at least we can express our own views?
agreed:) i would now rather go back into lockdown and wait for the cases to disapear alltogether then doing what we are doing now. but i would rather not get fined and also the daily the deathtoll esp since there are people in my age dying from this i would gadly wear a mask
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