COVID-19: Discussion of Impact 😷

The lack of movement on this seems to suggest that there is still a feeling that its too risky - the NSW system of test and trace seems to be the model that works where you can sustain low cases as long as you can jump on their origin and potential spread fairly quickly.

From what we’ve seen in Victoria (and around the world) - it doesnt take much for the virus to take hold again

and the few that are travelling are avoiding facing each other because there is room to allow social distancing.

But also, I have taken the bus a few times (prior to masks becoming mandatory) as part of my commute and, sure bus seats generally all face forward, but I still ended up with someone sitting directly behind me literally breathing down my neck. So having seats facing one direction is not ideal, either.

Its all well and good to make such statements, but they dont reflect the reality that there are potentially a lot of people who:
a) cannot do their work from home
b) have no other means of transportation

Without wanting to turn this into a state-vs-state pissing contest, they are only different situations because of the way they were tackled in each state

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Yes - I understand that. My role doesn’t allow me to work from home, so I must head into work. I live close to my workplace so I have the option to walk or drive.

I understand people do not have the same luxury and the only means for them to travel to work is via public transport. Those should be the only ones catching public transport if they do not have another way to get to work and of course it’ll be the same with the ones who go to collect ‘essential’ items, health related or care giving that are unable to get there another way.

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From what I have heard the trains are pretty much empty. My boss had to go in one day and he was the only one on the train at 8am

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I think what @TFTV is trying to say is that the contact tracing done by NSW has (for whatever reason) been vastly more effective than in VIC.

The vast majority of cases here in NSW can be traced to a known case/cluster, unlike in VIC where the opposite has been true.

I think this has been a major factor in why NSW has so far been able to avoid a 2nd wave.

Got the text message at 12:40 today (so a 27 hour turnaround). I am NOT the father.

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The one train that I’ve caught since this began was in mid-June to Richmond, it was 5.30pm on a Friday (which is usually peak hour) and I think there were about 4 others in the carriage. Also my local station car park has been 80% empty since March. I’ve also barely seen a tram with more than 3 or 4 people in months go down my street. So people have definitely not been catching public transport on big numbers.

You could say that Victoria did the same thing in early May with the Cedar meats outbreak. They did a good job of containing it. NSW numbers right now are similar to that. The difference now in Vic with this second wave is that it seems a lot of cases early on went undetected (people spreading to large groups without getting tested) so the problem was far more widespread when contact tracers got onto it. I don’t think you can compare. Saying that NSW is “showing Vic how it’s done” is a pretty insensitive comment to say at the moment, given all of us in Vic are going through a very tough time.

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Sorry but I wouldn’t even compare both states. Both are in completely different situations from one another. NSW has not had to endure a situation (on this level) to that we’re currently seeing in Victoria.

You have to remember Victoria had the most strictest coved measures in place from the start. This is a very contagious virus that moves very quickly in the community. It only takes a small number of cases and a little bit of complacency for it to move out of control.

How is the a terrible comment?

In NSW, we don’t have barely qualified security guards doing HQ, we didn’t reject ADF support, we have a large contact tracing team who are doing a stellar job and NSW Health have been very quick to release information (dates, times, locations) of places where there have been cases or where people may have come into contact.

It’s not a terrible comment to say that the NSW Government has dealt with COVID-19 better than the VIC Government.

Are you Daniel Andrews? Hmmm

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Has the world finally reached its peak? Or at least, reached a level of stabilisation?

Just being hopeful! :crossed_fingers:

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Despite numbers recently being stable or falling in NSW, I reckon it’s only a matter of time before things become as bad here (particularly around the Sydney metropolitan area) as they have down in Victoria.

Restaurants, pubs, clubs and other recreational venues are still open up here (albeit with capacity restrictions) so there’s still plenty of opportunities for an increase in infections.

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Shouldn’t we be hoping that the situation improves rather than getting worse?

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Of course, I’m just saying that it’s too early to say that the virus is on the way out of NSW.

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Again another terrible comment.

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I think everyone knows given how serious this is, COVID-19 is going to be around for a long time. There still a chance there could be an outbreak in WA, NT and QLD and TAS when and if their bubble hub borders open. Technically we are not out of the woods yet. We would be if there is a cure taht can nip this thing in the bud.

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Wow. Guess we might as well give up then. What a strange prediction with no real evidence that this will happen. NSW appear to have it under control.

Isn’t 20 million cases worldwide evidence enough that we shouldn’t be complacent and think an outbreak can happen?

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I didnt say we shouldn’t be complacent but at the same time why think the worst when it’s not happening yet. We have to live some sort of life through this. It can’t be all doom and gloom 24/7.

Wait until numbers start being in 50/100 a day in NSW then start worrying.

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Waiting for that is the reason why things got so bad in Victoria. Being on high alert, understanding what went wrong in Victoria and being aware is the only way to beat the virus and stop the spread. Yes NSW are doing a fantastic job. But the moment you become complacent is the moment you end up in stage 4 lockdown.

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