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She didn’t want the treaty either though…

No she wants to go beyond that to sovereignty! Which is never, ever going to happen.

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She literally says “until we get a peace making treaty” when speaking with ABC NEWS US.

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But why would anyone listen to that when it was clear she wanted more…

Talking about the referendum apologies for your confusion

Not sure I get your point here.

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For the record, this is what appears to be Thorpe’s stance on a treaty:

We as First Nations MPs and senators already bring our peoples’ voices to the table and we actually vote on legislation, which is much more than the Voice will be able to do. However, there is no guarantee we will always have such strong First Nations representation in parliament. This is why I am advocating for treaty, which could designate seats in parliament for First Nations people. A voice in parliament will have more impact than a Voice to Parliament. This is something that has been done in other colonised countries and has provided First Nations people with actual power to achieve real outcomes.

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I’m seeing just as much coverage on the issue itself.

The arrival of British settlers to Australia led to the massacre of Indigenous people at hundreds of locations around the country until as recently as the 1930s. Their ancestors still suffer from racism and systemic discrimination in a country that has failed to reverse centuries of disadvantage.

I’ve got your conversation regarding the referendum and a treat muddled up

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Coverage is one thing. But I doubt any overseas interest will last more than a day. And even if it did, it would have zero effect on decisions taken by Australian voters.

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As with any other issue in this country it’ll blow away in a few days time.

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As long as it doesn’t blow up in a few days time.

Especially overseas, since after today, the royals jet off to Samoa for the Commonwealth Head’s of Government meeting, which is where the international press (including the BBC) will move onto.

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Why would it? The royals will have left Australia by then and all will be forgotten.

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To me, it feels like we’re seeing race relations with indigenous/First Nations people and the wider community deteriorate noticeably in recent years, especially since the national conversation no longer seems to be about reconciliation and moving forward together.

Actions like those of Senator Thorpe yesterday only serve to reinforce and entrench the divisions within the community and ultimately benefit no one.

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Exactly - maybe if she did something like a petition for the UK Government to apologise, maybe it could help with the process of reconciliation, and would’ve gotten positive coverage for her cause.

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I completely agree. Division is becoming entrenched and increasingly hostile. It’s not going in any good direction. I know people these days look at the past usually with derision, but I can tell you we were in a better place in the 80s. I was in high school and had aboriginal kids in my class, and we just got along. An aboriginal girl was voted school captain in an overwhelmingly white school in regional Queensland. Things were heading in the right direction and we were constantly told we were all the same. Fast forward to today and it’s a mess. Interestingly I have a kiwi friend around my age who said the same thing of their experiences in NZ.

It’s not just race relations either. I have a theory Australia peaked as a nation in the 70s and 80s in a lot of ways. We were progressive but not radical. We were more equal economically. And there was a sense things would just get better. A real optimism. But anyway, I digress.

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Except that pragmatic actions aren’t actually getting us closer to any kind of resolution either and people are starting to get incredibly frustrated at the lack of movement (which manfests like we’ve seen over the last 18 months).

Except it doesn’t really work this way, the Crown is continuous - it is just the living embodiment that changes. The Empire was ‘built’ for the benefit of the Crown.

The Crown endorsed and subsequently benefited from the actions that formed the Empire - it is complicit.

And send her where exactly?

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The Crown acts upon the advice of the Government of the day - has done so since 1689. The Crown is not responsible - the Government of the United Kingdom is.

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You’re making an assumption here that the majority of people actually want “movement”, and also the direction of that movement.

Just because people like Price are frustrated they’re not getting their way doesn’t mean anything when the clear majority of Australians do not support her views, or the direction she wants to take.

This is what is incensing so many people post the referendum. Certain elements within government and other interests seem to be completely ignoring the outcome of that and continue along their chosen path.

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