Radio History

Sand is a poor conductor of electricity & thus also AM/MW Radio Frequency, it would need the water table below it to be pretty much at ground level, using the water to conduct the signal.

As the ground plane is half of the MW dipole antenna, you need good ground conductivity to get the AM signal propagating out there, poor ground conductivity will cause the wave (from the above ground part of the antenna) to drift upwards, & the signal will fade at ground level & propagate poorly, the ground plane essentially pulls the wave downwards, creating what’s known as the AM “Ground Wave” propagation. If the ground plane’s good conductivity is too deep, the signal strength will be reduced from the source, meaning less coverage & strength overall.

Go to a sandy area with no, or a deep water table, & you’ll find your AM reception will weaken significantly, perhaps even disappear into the noise floor.
For those who know Newcastle, this is why Port Stephens has FM translators, the area is very sandy with a low/deep water table, & the AM signals from Newcastle don’t propagate over it/around the area.

There’ll be a table out there on the internet somewhere, that indicates ground types & the conductivity factor of them, I’ve seen it but can’t remember where?

Swampy ground is best for AM/MW conductivity, with good quality farming soil/land next best (wet is even better, near a river etc.), being near a lake or beach on sandy soil is good, but only if the water table is high, salt water is obviously a better conductor than fresh, the ultimate place for an AM/MW antenna is in the middle of a salt water lake, these are few & far between. I think Radio Disney on AM in San Francisco was (not in the middle of), but built out into the SF Bay area with a jetty/walkway, out over the water to get to the masts/antenna’s.

I think this is it? https://www.google.com/maps/@37.8280435,-122.3148769,2a,90y,188.98h,92.12t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s7Ok2VFMR2v1bVFczR0zy8A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D7Ok2VFMR2v1bVFczR0zy8A%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D58.23266%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

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Thanks for that clarification. I’m guessing sand also has a role in attenuating MW in Perth? Kurnell does have a swamp- Towra Point- but it’s a RAMSAR protected wetland (thanks Yr 12 Geography) and as such would be unsuitable.

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What about St Helena Island - an inshore island in the ocean.

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Must be good, given 1008 Brisbane has excellent coverage, at least on the coastal fringe.

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Yep, exactly as why 1008 is so good.

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Yep, got it in one.

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Not a Radio Disney station, but talk radio station KGO 810. And you found the right picture. It has a great signal, helped by the frequency and 50kW of power. KCBS at the northern end of the bay is pretty good too.

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I think that used to be Radio Disney though? There are no Radio Disney’s any more?

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Yeah, they closed the last in April, along with their digital broadcasts.

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KMKY was the former Radio Disney, now Radio Punjab. Different site, but also adjacent to the bay:

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We received KMKY in Cairns back in 2019 (as R.Punjab), so the site is indeed decent:

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Hi folks - we have some audio from Geelong’s 3GL going live later today but I need to ID the announcer. It sounds like he’s saying “Tim Hyde”. Anyone remember a Tim Hyde on 3GL around 1987, or in the radio industry in general?

Thanks
TRV

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Tim Hind, perhaps?

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That’ll be him. Thanks for that, @TelevisionAU. The aircheck we have is the final hour of the drive show and Tim mentions Don Crawford’s show before signing off. So that all fits!

I wanted to make sure I had his name right and Googling “Tim Hyde” didn’t bring up any results, which now makes sense.

Thanks again!

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For anyone who wants to watch the video:

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Fantastic stuff @anon36025973 - thanks for sharing here. I was a little young to remember 3GL prior to it becoming K-Rock, so it’s nice to finally hear how it sounded prior to the FM days.

The slightly older people in my life talk about 3GL being a little daggier and older sounding back in the day, certainly when compared to 3XY - is this a fair recollection? Of course they, like many stations, threw that out the window when they converted to FM and rebranded as K-Rock.

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Remember when those “(station name) rocks (suburb name)” car stickers were all the rage in the late 1980s and early 1990s? Here’s a few from TRV’s archives.

Speaking of which, I have been perplexed by the Sun FM sticker in the middle of this photo for close to 30 years. Sun FM 107.7 Rocks 3TR??? Why would a Shepparton station be rocking a station in Gippsland? Did 3TR simulcast Sun FM after hours in the early 1990s? Or was Sun FM receivable down there and they were just having a dig at the competition? Can anybody shed any light on this please?

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No worries, @tamago_otoko. Glad you enjoyed it.

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Perhaps the common owner was too tight to produce two bumper stickers?

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I loved suburban based stickers from that era.

I wish had some of these but I recall seeing

FM105.1 ROX Nambucca Heads
FM102.3 ROX Port Macquarie

(white background with black text and ROX in bold red).

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