Daylight Saving


#144

Bruce Almighty caused a tsunami in Japan when he moved the Moon closer to the Earth. Is Bruce back on duty?


#145

I stand corrected. Never looked into it to be honest. My apologies.


#146

a friend of mine does that every year … they are here for Spring / Summer and leave for Europe (Greece) for Spring Summer, they have done that now for 12 years in a row.


#147

I actually always thought that WA would benefit from DST more than anywhere else in Australia, based on the fact that the east of WA is behind the time it should be anyway.

For example, Wyndham, in NE WA.
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@2057705

Given the sun is directly overhead around 11:10am at part of the year, it’s already nearly 1 hour behind the time it should be anyway.
And with the latest sunset of the year being 6:05pm, it would appear to benefit greatly from DST.


#148

Whinging or offering a simpler solution?

It can’t be that hard to train chimpanzees, surely, Hollywood does it.


#149

Given I work a lot during nights I’d get no benefit from it at all, and personally if people cannot adjust their lifestyles within the confines of the day without the excuse of needing an extra hour’s sunlight, then it’s THEIR loss. Heck I’m not in favour of seeing daylight when I get to Melbourne/Hobart during November/December at 8PM because it’s of no use to me.


#150

Oh boo hoo, woe is me!

For the vast majority its a benefit, the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few, get used to it.


#151

With or without daylight saving it’s still light at 8pm in Hobart in those months. With daylight saving though it is close to 9pm for sunset - with twilight still providing enough light after that. To me though, that is still far more useful at that end of the day than at 4:30am and sure makes up for the middle of winter when it’s dark on the miserable days just after 4pm.


#152

what most people who don’t like DST forget that from December 22 (Summer Solstice, or Winter Solstice for Northern Hemisphere ) the actual day light is shorter by 1 minute per day, so by the end of the year the daylight is (9 days from December 22) is 9 minutes shorter, by the end of January it’s 40 minutes less day light each evening, by the end of February its a full 68 minutes shorter, by the end of DST (April 7 2019 for the forthcoming DST period) add another 38 minutes less daylight, so basically from December 22 through to April 7 there is a total loss of 106 minutes of daylight.

If you take away the 1 hour advance of DST sunset would be fall away time frame, so lets say February 28 (last day of Summer ) would be 6:25pm, which is no good for anyone.

But again people who hate daylight savings can’t figure that out.

That or they would love for the sun rise to be at 4:10am at its earliest peak.


#153

I reckon tradies would love the early start to the day in summer.


#154

Daylight change varies on latitude and isn’t uniform.
As the earth wobbles, it naturally slows at each ‘end’ of its wobble, so over a week the amount of daylight at each solstice is tiny (less than a minute the closer to the equator you get), and during the equinox (April & September) can be up to 20 minutes difference. These times vary depending on how close you are to the equator, so what works in NSW won’t necessarily work in QLD or WA (with Perth being about the same distance as Newcastle is from the equator). It’s also why when we change our clocks at the equinox, the difference is most notable, however doesn’t stay for long (as after three weeks the sun is again up where it used to be one way, or down where it used to be the other way).
I’ve engineered carpark lighting to deal with this, and when you throw in daylight-savings changes, it’s a nightmare, especially when everyone runs different software to schedule that sort of thing. You have to map each place separately, even if they’re only 100km apart.

I still think the simplest solution is to set the time-zones permanently half-way between, but then again, this thread wouldn’t exist and a mild source of entertainment would disappear.


#155

Just saw a story on DST on Facebook tonight and found this comment (amongst many similar) that show how clearly QLDers just don’t understand the concept.

“we notice from watching live football played in Sydney and Melbourne its dark in June at 5 pm - 5.30 still plenty of daylight up here so if we had it during summer would be still daylight at 10 pm ( daylight savings time) normal time is 9.00 pm est at night and we go to work in total darkness at 5.00 am ( daylight savings time (4.00 am est) no for the NORTH we would be better becoming an INDEPENDENT STATE !”


#156

In what part of Queensland is there daylight at 9pm in June? I swear I recall it being dark out in Cairns before 8 o’clock, but then again perhaps the humidity hadn’t gotten to me yet


#157

It isn’t daylight in QLD at 8pm as far as I’m aware. Don’t think it would be even if they had DST


#158

Nowhere near it. Hobart sunset at the end of the year is around 8:53pm DST, Brisbane is only 6:46pm (EST - 7:46pm proposed EDT) and further north Cairns is 6:53pm EST (7:53pm EDT)


#159

Here’s a shocking revelation: We get longer days and shorter nights during Summer (and visa versa in Winter) regardless of whether or not Daylight Saving is observed. What other logical explanation is there for Sydney often getting minimum temperatures around the 20-22°C range during Summer while sometimes not even reaching that temperature range for a daily maximum in Winter?!

…which of course, is still earlier than the post-8pm Sunset times of DST-observing Sydney, Canberra & Melbourne (plus Hobart as you already mentioned) during the peak of Summer.


#160

That sounds more like it.

Too much common sense in this discussion. Someone say something about the poor cows!


#161

They’ll just have to get over it and mooooove with the times!

#dadjokes #happyfathersday!


#162

I think Australia should have a bumper (could be localised for every state) saying that is the start/end of DST.

Brasil have this tradition for years, #myfriends !

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYosDtA1Ppw)


#163

And once again QLD falls behind … sigh