COVID-19: Discussion of Impact đŸ˜·

Most have started but like us it’s only the initial stages and there is a long way to go.

Some of these small spikes might be due to some loosening of restrictions. I know Netherlands for example have taken a small step which is still strict but enables people to do a little more e.g. students can go to school a day per week, outdoor sport can resume and even retail can open if its through a booking system that limits a very small number that can visit a store every 10 minutes. They obviously hoping to start balancing some activity with the ramping up of vaccine rollout.

Actually only 36% are fully vaccinated. Most European countries have only fully vaccinated around 2-3%

My friend in the UK was clearly told she was still at risk of getting covid until she was fully vaccinated.

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Victoria’s latest numbers -

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McGown is tapped in the head. Best we just let them succeeed now than deal with this egomaniacs state border controls :crazy_face:

Just goes to show how his border stance is about much more than just “keeping WA safe” total fuckwit.

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I wouldn’t let news corps very click bait headline suck you in. This is no different to what South Australia does with their fruit and plant protection. All they are wanting to do is keep drugs out and have a system in place that helps the police stop that.

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It’s not just newscorp - it’s all over twitter and various publications that aren’t news corp - he said these things in a presser.

Yeah I know but as I said it’s not going to look like anything we have seen through covid. South Australia has strict measures at the border allowing the search of vehicles for plants and fruit.

It’s now been clarified that this promise only refers to border controls at the existing fruit/veg road checkpoints, not an extension of the current G2G pass system past the end of the pandemic. If the election wasn’t going to be such a landside this would have been a bit more of a blunder.

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looks like victrorias state of emergcy is goign to be extented but could be ablosihed once covid-19 leglistation is made and passed . this is from fiona pattern:We have had police detention powers curbed; kids won’t be issued Covid fines like adults anymore; the ability to protest is now a clear right even during an emergency; the government has agreed to Reasons demand of covid-specific legislation where we will have a seat at the table to develop it; there will be reviews of the legislation and it’s progress every 3 months; and very pleasingly, following my colleague Ali Cupper MP - Independent for Mildura hard lobbying - the government will announce changes to any future declarations so as regional and rural Victoria is treated differently than metro Melbourne.

Speculation that it’s a look tough on crime announcement just before the election because it looks like he’s about to lose a couple of seats sounds plausible.

But it is a terrible idea. Hopefully it’ll be forgotten about after the election.

The government won the support of the Greens, Reason Party MP Fiona Patten and Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick to extend the emergency declaration until December after negotiations with Health Minister Martin Foley extended late into last night.

But they’re expecting to wipe out all but a couple liberal seats, so it wasn’t at all necessary. I do somewhat agree that it may have been an announcement to try and trick the liberal opposition to oppose the measure and therefore appear “soft” on crime, but it hasn’t worked.

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Ms Patten said the government committed to creating specific legislation that provided for public health rules allowable under the state of emergency. She said these laws could be developed in less than nine months, meaning the state of emergency may not be needed for the maximum period.

jUST IN: the victorian govts 9-month extension to its state of emergency powers has been just passed the upper house with amendments with the Greens leader Samantha Ratnam, Reason Parties MP Fiona Patten and Andy Meddick from the Animal Justice Party voted in favour of the extension, the vote was 19v 18. the bill will now return to the assembly with a message informing them the legislative council has bassed the bill will amendments

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Happy to report from here in the UK

-5400 cases yesterday down from 60,000

  • 104 deaths down from 1900
  • 20 million people vaccinated

8 March - schools return
29 March - outdoor household mixing allowed
12 April - Retail, gyms, hair, outdoor hospitality
19 May - indoor hospitality
21 June - household mixing allowed, nightclubs - all restrictions lifted

(That last one seems ambitious to me)

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this is from fionas pattens reason victoria leaders facebook page:
We have had police detention powers curbed; kids won’t be issued Covid fines like adults anymore; the ability to protest is now a clear right even during an emergency; the government has agreed to Reasons demand of covid-specific legislation where we will have a seat at the table to develop it; there will be reviews of the legislation and it’s progress every 3 months; and very pleasingly, following my colleague Ali Cupper MP - Independent for Mildurahard lobbying - the government will announce changes to any future declarations so as regional and rural Victoria is treated differently than metro Melbourne.

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104 deaths a day and all that re-opening? What a mess.

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The situation and the management of Covid in the UK and EU is obviously very different to AU. They don’t pursue a zero Covid strategy here.

A ñormal winter in the UK sees about 80 flu deaths a day. This country has always had a huge seasonal death rate (I guess it’s weather?)

So in context things are looking very good

We’ve had severe restrictions/ lockdown since early November now - so 16 weeks. By the time shops open on April 12 that will have been 24 weeks. The last juice has been squeezed out of the lockdown lemon. It’s a tool not a solution.

The big concerns are schools opening.
Is track and trace working properly
Are they keeping new variants at bay

And I think the biggest issue will be will they move quickly If cases start to rise again.

On this: the Govt had clearly stated that if hospitalizations and deaths don’t rise, the vaccine roll out keeps strong, new variants don’t emerge: then they are comfortable (somewhat) if cases rise a little through the summer

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5400 which per capita is around 81.48 cases per million which is basically equal to NSW having 660 cases or VIC having 546 cases.

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