Public Transport

Along Melrose Drive would be the likeliest outcome of it were to ever happen. No point following the freeway.

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Seems to be plenty of room on the western side of Melrose Drive, but the amount of benefit seems questionable to me considering that the tram route has shared traffic lanes for about half of the run back into Melbourne.

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Actually, i now realised that it has ceased operations for good due to lack of patronage, as opposed to the Rottnest one which gets packed. A bit like how Transperth’s Superbus 950 was a successor of 5 different bus routes in January 2014.

Nine News Perth ads return to Transperth buses but only in a smaller size as opposed to the wide rectangle ones on the sides. Nicely redefined :smile:

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Hasn’t South Australia learned from the privatisation of Victoria’s public transport system in the 1990s?

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The lesson they probably learnt is that the private operators act as a convenient buffer for public anger. Better for the Government if people are angry at ā€œMetroā€ or ā€œYarra Tramsā€ instead of them.

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Yeah but it’s all under one brand here, AdelaideMetro and you pay for your fare with a MetroCard or MetroTicket. So not too many people are out here cursing downer or Serco or whoever actually has the bus contracts these days

Buses were outsourced last time Liberals were in government in SA. Trains and trams so far have remained in-house.

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I’ve caught the Sydney Metro for the first time the past couple of days. It’s ok. But, as I was using the gates to get in and out of the stations I noticed some fair evasion with two people slipping through on the same ticket. It’s a new train but some things never change.

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Anyone from Brisbane may have been on one but this Custom Coaches CB60-bodied MAN A24 NG313F is rare in Perth as there is only one, along with the IVECO/Irisbus Citelis 18 and the Volgren CR228L-bodied Scania L94UA that we also have in Perth.

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Why have one terrible-to-average private operator when you can have two or three?
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/new-operators-could-take-to-rails-for-airport-link-and-suburban-loop/news-story/5f34ec2f18f2b6dfcbd5be6a3d4cf4a3

Yes I see many buses like this one around Brisbane and have been on one also

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It’s not like multiple operators is necessarily bad.

There are 40 operators in Tokyo alone and their train network is the best patronaged, best organised system in the world.

When/if our rail infrastructure expands to have multiple different networks providing redundancy, I’d prefer if they were spun off to compete against one another. Sydney Metro Southwest and CBD to Parramatta will soon be competing against the T1 and inner west lines.

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A philosophical conundrum- is fare evasion ever fair?

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That was originally meant to be 1614 in Brisbane. Hence why 1614 was the last MAN Artic delivered in Brisbane :wink:

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Not really fair to compare Japanese ultra-efficiency, where a train leaving 25 seconds EARLY results in a sincere apology, to the rest of the world. :joy:

Privatising driver operations is capable of working, London Overground is very successful and one of the higher customer-satisfied networks in England.

But IMO, for cities like Adelaide the network and population are too small to warrant it.

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Of course, but it’s not like Australia doesn’t have dumb set ups under the existing ā€œstreamlinedā€ systems.

Take Brisbane for example: despite the unified Translink fare system, Queensland Rail and Brisbane’s bus network are technically rivals. That’s because QR is owned by the State Gov’t and BT by the Brisbane City Council. Interchanging between the two means each gets less money, so what does BCC do? Resist letting buses interchange at train stations, unlike Sydney or London, where trunk and feeder has been a concept for decades. Instead we end up with busjams of 30-50 per cent full buses heading into and out of the city during peakhours.

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And the only one to have a ZF Ecomat transmission although it had the Voith at first.

BTW, here’s more details for those who are interested:http://www.perthbus.info/report.php?vid=TP3001

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Now has anyone been on this? An IVECO Citelis 18 GNC that can be only found in Perth and it’s a true low-floor bus, as opposed to the many of the rest of the Transperth fleet which are low-entry.

There are 3 CNG articulated buses in Transperth fleet that have been delivered in 2007-09.
Scania (Dec 2007) - Transdev
MAN (Jan 2008) - Path
Iveco (Jul 2009) - Path


Low floor CNG buses were delivered in 2001- late 2010 and are superseded with Volvo Euro 5/6 buses. A few CNG buses were written off and older ones were retired. Several Volvo buses have gone down to regional to replace older buses.

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Well from what i know, some of the Volgren CR228L Futurebus-bodied B7RLE’s numbered in the TP1400’s were the ones sent to Bunbury and that the O405NH’s dating back to 1999 is in the progress of being retired one-by-one.

Apart from the CBD CAT buses, each of the 3 operators has 4 Euro 6 Volvo B8RLE (Not the articulated version operating since 2015) which is also bodied with a Volgren Optimus bodywork and has been in service since early-2018, but Transperth decided to prefer deliveries of the Optimus B7RLE’s due to costs.

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