US Politics

Happy Birthday! :cake:

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Thanks :slight_smile:

Yes Happy Birthday @pelican

NO WAY THE ONE AND ONLY matlock IS ~9 MONTHS OLDER THAN ME!

I AM NOT WORTHY.

hb too

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Is it any surprise Hillary lost the election, and the Democrats are still in the state they are in (even with jackass Trump in the top job) when this is the insane, far-left, identity-politics-driven, online world of losers that they attempt to represent?

“Male privilege”.

If you’re going to claim that the entire Democratic Party is supportive of this crap, back it up.

There are always going to be some on the fringes of each side of politics, and the other side will try to paint them all with that extreme, but come on…

The Democrats lost the last election because of (in no particular order):

  1. The Russian interference (propaganda works on enough people)
  2. The Democrats put up a candidate without a narrative of why she should be president (I’m not him wasn’t good enough).
  3. They (Democratic party) also ignored the ongoing desire/demand for change (which was a big reason Obama’s Hope campaign was successful); the party’s conventional wisdom was wrong, and Bernie Sanders would have been a better candidate (and would’ve had a better chance in the general election) because he was addressing the apalling inequality & unfairness in the USA, while Clinton was easily (albeit incorrectly) painted as being part of the status quo & thus the problem.

And while obviously not all members of the Republican Party are racist/sexist/etc., if you’re a bigot in America you’re probably a Republican, and so as that fringe hated a black president, they certainly didn’t next want a woman president.

To your twitter post from a magazine aimed at a female audience, the very ‘conservative’/right-wingers who get upset at the Democrats for supporting feminism, equality for homosexuals, etc. were never going to vote for a Democrat anyway, so they aren’t who the Democrats need to appeal to or to placate.

The centre is where the swing votes always are, and they aren’t happy; unfortunately Trump convinced enough of them that he might actually change something for them so they took a chance, while others were actively saying they’d vote for him as an attempt to ‘break the system’ which isn’t working for them.

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…but the states that swung massively to Trump voted Obama last time…so much for your “fringe” theory; full of holes!

You can’t say Ohio LOVED the idea of a black President…but just found the idea of a female President so outrageous; that doesn’t wash at all. And not simply any female, but one that was well known to all Americans at the top of US politics for years.

If you subscribe to a cliche 1950s view of the world. Bigots in modern America are found on both sides of politics.

Like I said, the type of losers that find that sort of tweet appealing, are exactly the sort of people that the Democrats attempted to target at the last election (at the cost of sane, normal, middle America).

…the DNC emails are “propaganda” now? I think it is you who needs to “back up this crap” now…

No. You’ve misunderstood. My point is that the language and attempts to appeal to the voters that would find that tweet appealing is exactly why the Democrat messaging has become so narrow and focused as to exclude vast swathes of middle America.

And yet 40 million is spent on Viagra for the military each year. The only reason he made this decision is to shore up his voting base.

Sadly you’ve (again, conveniently) ignored the rest of what I said, about people who feel the system is broken & works against them.

In the 1950s the south (with its legacy of slavery and still in-place racial segregation) voted with the Democrats, but they shifted to the Republican party when the Dems enforced de-segregation, brought in the Voting Rights Act, etc.

And you’ve ignored the false stories (propaganda) such as the child sex slavery pizzeria madness; it wasn’t just stolen e-mails, but outright lies that the Russians pushed.

  1. I’m not aware that this was Russian.
  2. That nonsense would have swung precisely 0 voters.

How silly to claim Trump won because of the pizzeria story. I mean, honestly.

Actually, not “again” and not “conveniently” - I already posted 4 times so I thought that was enough - I’ve previously commented on the fact Trump won because he targeted those voters across the rustbelt. This time I was commenting on why the Democrat messaging failed, and why they ultimately lost.

Again, we’ve already commented in this thread that those came from predominantly Macedonia.

I already had that point put to me:

Are you splitting your replies into multiple posts for some reason…trying to win the most-number-of-posts this month?

Anyway, you chose to say the stolen e-mails must be what I was referring to as propaganda, to make it sound as if that’s the only thing I could possibly be talking about, as if there’s nothing else, but now you admit there were other lies being peddled during the election campaign.

Stop being disingenous, and trying to provoke.

No. I quickly grab bits I want to respond to when I have time.

You’re simply trolling now - you very clearly said Russian interference (propaganda). Now you’re claiming you weren’t talking about Russian interference when referring to “Russian interference” but also…er…fake stories online from Macedonia about how the Pope supported Trump. Give me a break.