US Politics


#807

Well, to begin with, there are just slightly more than 5 times the amount of men in the US military, than people wanting sex reassignment surgery, no?

Considering the workload includes being away from the US for extended periods, the provision of contraceptive materials, and even viagra, is completely reasonable.

Oh f*** me. Of course it is. You’re either born with a penis (male), a vagina (female) or intersex. Of COURSE it is a feature of your birth. A baby doesn’t come out of a womb with a blank space where its genitals should be saying “choose my sex”. Am I on another planet here or are you just talking bollocks?


#808

Modern medicine says no.

People can choose to become who they want to be. It’s not a choice they take lightly, especially when they come up against their own loved ones.


#809

Hang on, are you just being obtuse here and saying that because sex reassignment surgery exists, that sex is not a feature of your birth? Of course it’s a feature of your birth. And of course it can be amended. That’s why I literally said in my original post “and then expecting the taxpayer to fund the ludicrous amendment.”


#810

Your argument was that it was a feature of birth (and couldn’t be changed).

It absolutely can, and in many cases, individuals may feel the need to transition to become more “themselves”, that is who they feel they are inside.

It’s not a topic I imagine you’d understand, but some empathy and tolerance wouldn’t go amiss?


#811

You’re being silly now. Where did I say it can’t be changed?


#812

Sure, modern medicine mean you can amend your sex. Just as modern technology mean you can amend your date, and place, of birth on an electronic copy of your birth certificate, for example.

And, like you say:

individuals may feel that their internal age, that is, “what they feel”, is better reflected by amending their date of birth to a more recent year. Or feeling that their far-flung birth place doesn’t represent who “they are inside”.

Of course, we all know that would be completely wrong and unreasonable…


#813

This. Gender isn’t just physical.


#814

Sex and gender are two different things, matlock.


#815

If someone wants to change their age to 89, hell, let them. Doesn’t impact me in the slightest.


#816

The smoking gun of stupidity.

Are you for real?


#817

Tell me how I’m wrong :slight_smile:


#818

Your point was simply that “it doesn’t impact you in the slightest.”

What on earth do you want proven wrong? A man killing a woman in Hobart doesn’t impact you either, but society has laws on murder…


#819

Correct, sex refers to the reproductive anatomy, and gender is the social side.


#820

Yes, and they’re have sex reassignment surgery - not gender reassignment as is used incorrectly in those articles.


#821

It has impacts on the woman killed.

Transgender transition impacts… no one?


#822

Ah, I forgot the sex reassignment in the military that we’re talking about is funded with magic beans. Nope, no impact.


#823

It’s not a bad thing though. It’s an employer caring for their employees. Hardly a bad thing.

At the end of the day it’s just another punitive move by the President.


#824

Well, this comes down to personal views.

Personally, I couldn’t think of anything more outrageous than taxpayer’s dollars being spent on sex reassignment in the military.

And, as it comes down to individual views, taxpayers should have the CHOICE about whether they fund something like this - and, as there is no checkbox on income tax forms to “donate” extra tax to the IRS to fund a programme like this, then that CHOICE about taxation should be expressed through the ballot box.

Trump is President so Trump says no paying for sex reassignment in the military. Simples. (I disagree if he further says existing transgender people can not serve in the army, an issue raised in the response from McCain).


#825

Oh yes, just too complex for my small little brain - funny that the same sort of language is considered sexist when used in reference to females - in reference to people perceived as “right-wing”, perfectly fine.


#826

No I’m just being honest. I imagine this sort of stuff wouldn’t have been so out in the open when you were growing up, whereas now it isn’t really a big deal at all. It just is.

It’s just social change. Each generation has a different take from the last.