The TEF Gang

That’s good to know & yes a great idea to make it clear on your server that dxing has priority. It doesn’t guarantee that 100% of people will observe that, but it sure would help in the majority of cases.

:laughing: Great idea. Though in my case & only specific to my router, upgrading the cat 5 patch cables from the router to CAT6A S/FTP made a dramatic noise reduction on the VHF band, far better than ferrite chokes. I think CAT 8 by default is also S/FTP, but overkill for most home installations. Chokes are easy to use & more turns the better generally.

Awesome! You’ve been busy with RFI reduction. I noted your server off recently.

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It’s online (now) but I think the map server is having issues.

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Some recent updates to my two servers:

  • Added the Recorder plug-in
  • Added the Live Map plug-in
  • Added the Extended Info plug-in with additional ‘about’ text on the servers and a photo of the antenna setup

For those with 4K displays, I’ve also tweaked the presets so when the ‘Show all presets’ option is enabled, it makes use of the full 4K screen. For me, I have one extended set of presets with every service normally receivable:

And another set with empty frequencies so I can quickly check through them all to search for any DX reception:

I’ve also been adding ferrite cores and switching to CAT-6 Ethernet cables, but it doesn’t seem to be making any discernable difference, as far as I can tell.

I had been hoping to get the Orange community and commercial stations receivable on my TEFs, but no luck. On the street next to me which has about 10m extra elevation, the Orange community and commercial stations are permanently receivable on my car radio, but they fade out when on my street, which is a bit lower, unfortunately :/.

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Sorry for the long post before I start.
I haven’t been paying full attention here but assume you are having interference issues in the receiver?

Ferrite cores are a black art & are a theory for RF noise reduction, but really not proven, essentially what you are doing by wrapping a cable around a ferrite core is just reducing it’s length as an antenna, you could achieve the same result, folding it in very short lengths & tying it or wrapping it around a wooden stick.
Ferrite cores essentially are used for various magnetic reasons especially reducing eddy currents in electrical transformers or any electrical charged wound cable.

Nautel a major RF transmitter manufacturer even supplies ferrite toroids when you buy a transmitter, that you’re supposed to run the RF output coax through, so it can reduce the Eddie currents & straighten the run of the electrons in the cable & give you a better signal output.
Unless the client specifically asks for toroids to be installed, I never put them on any transmitter installation & neither do any of the other broadcast techs I know, because there’s actually no proven, in real life improvement or change to the signal having them there or not, other than maybe changing the signal for 10cm as it passes through them, the signal & electrons will do whatever the hell they want, as it travels though the other 300 meters of cable going up the tower to the antenna & then maybe 100km through the air to the receiver.

Ferrite cores are used in small AM radios, as wrapping the antenna wire around them using the ferrites magnetic properties actually increases the signal strength like a passive amplifier, so you can use a smaller AM antenna in a smaller receiver, in that case it makes perfect sense as is proven positive, as far as RF interference suppression, it’s actually making the wire (unwanted antenna) smaller that’s making the difference to the level of interference, as the wire becomes less efficient at being an antenna for the unwanted RF.

As for using Cat. 6 cables to reduce unwanted interference that’s not affecting the data transfer (i.e making more packet loss or error in the data) but in the actual radio receiver (SDR), then you’re barking up the wrong tree.

Cat. 6 cables are different to Cat.5e only in the amount of data they can transfer (bandwidth) due to Cat. 6 having the internal pairs twisted more tightly (more twists per meter) than in Cat. 5e & that’s mostly to reduce interference between the pairs & help reduce crosstalk & a few other things.
In Cat. 5e, Cat. 6 & upwards cables, each pair is twisted at different rates to also help with that interference between pairs & when you split the pairs terminating the cables, depending if you use the A or B specification will depend if the cable will better upload or download data, it really doesn’t have anything to do with external interference, it’ll still act like an antenna to external RF unless you use shielded cables, & then if you use shielded cables, make sure the shielding is only terminated at one end & grounded at the same point, don’t terminate the shielding at both ends & don’t ground the shielding at multiple points/locations, otherwise it’ll become an even greater antenna than just the twisted pairs of an unshielded cable.

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These are the ones I purchased when the business was located at Alexandria.
https://www.4cabling.com.au/1m-cat-6a-s-ftp-lszh-ethernet-network-cable-purple.html

Perhaps I got lucky with my router in using them as they were effective in reducing a lot of RFI from my router on the VHF band.
And for what it’s worth, ferrites in & around my PC haven’t made a difference.
Turning off my PC screen reduces interference, but that defeats the purpose of it, as does wrapping it aluminium foil. :laughing:
One can waste a lot of time investigating & trying to suppress RFI.
It’s a science & an artform of sorts.

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Nothing wrong with those patch leads, & maybe you did get lucky with them reducing the RFI from it, but then maybe they had nothing to do with the reduction, it might have been something else you did?

Does your router have plastic Ethernet ports, like fully plastic if you look inside them where the 6 wire (terminals) are, most routers/modems/switches etc. used in residential situations & not rack mounted will be full plastic Ethernet ports.
If yours are fully plastic, those shielded cables probably had nothing to do with the RFI reduction, as the shielding will not be grounded to anywhere. The shielding connects to the metal around the outside of the plugs on those cables & when inserted in a “shielded” router that metal touches metal inside the Ethernet port & grounds it, draining away any outside interference it attracts acting as an antenna.
A shielded router is usually all metal as well on the outside, so it acts like a faraday cage stopping any RFI getting inside, some though maybe plastic on the outside with a metal mesh inside under the plastic, but then they’ll have a earth or ground terminal on them you have to connect a wire to, unless they’re 240V & plug into a normal power point, then they use the electrical earth as the ground to drain the RFI away.

You might have got lucky though & any RFI is being grounded on the equipment connected to the end away from the router, if it has a shielded Ethernet port on it?

But like you alluded to, it’s a black art, that sometimes has no logical or expected rhyme or reason to work or not.

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Just trying to get the noise floor lower to be able to catch distant signals better.

Just following Ozbark’s suggestions. Doesn’t hurt to try, I suppose.

On another note I note that when tuned to 87.6 on my TEF server, the Arabic station comes in. But if I tune to 87.52, I can also receive River FM 87.6 from Penrith. Not sure why the offset brings River in over the top of the Arabic station given they’re both on 87.6.

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What I did was find a quiet frequency and simply experiment. If you switch a device off and on (or disconnect cables from a device) and notice a difference, then that’s something to work on. First thing I’d do is use a ferrite clip on everything that connects to radio, right where they plug in. That is, the coax cable, the USB cable, and the audio jack. It’s possible that you’ll see no difference at all, but it costs nothing to have them there.

This step I didn’t have to do, as I’m not using a radio, but I’ve noticed if the screen is off, the signal meter behaves erratically and it could be almost impossible to work with, so you’d want the screen on while you’re testing, to have a “smoother” reading.

When using a clip that has an effect, it might only be about .2 or .3 dB, but suppressing a few sources of interference adds up.

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I have noticed recently a strange quirk with my webserver. When I or anyone else logs into the server. The log shows two clients with the same IP address. This is also reflected in the client conected icon at the top of the webpage. Any idea what is going on?

UPDATE

Disregaurd the issue has been resolved. reinstalinf RDS Logger? seems to have fixed it. back to single login and RDS Logger now apears on the top line withj all the other buttons. Next chalange is editing “localstationdata.json” in the corerect format to add non RDS Station Loggos… Thanks to YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE :grinning: for the updated logo list. “I will be back”

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Do any TEFs do DAB?

It would be nice to have a radio that does FM/AM/DAB. My use case would be a moving vehicle around the Sydney metro area.

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Not that I’m aware of, but the project engineer is working on a dedicated DAB+ portable using the/a TEF chip.

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Hi Team

I have updated non RDS Perth station logos including adding semi local stations that are audible here but either don’t have RDS or are too weak to decode. The advantage of this is in summer with ducting up and down the coast will help identify stations that non locals would not be aware of.

I have managed to locate station logos for most of the Perth stations incl community radio.

Next update is Extended Description.

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Hi @tvcl there’s a unusual fault with your TVCL Server 1 site in that the scan up & down buttons don’t function. Any ideas?

@ozbark Just restarted the server. Seems OK now.

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I have just completed some updates on my Webserver including adding Station Logos to more receivable semi local NON RDS stations to aid users during DX and coastal ducting season.

I also added Extended info BUT I have come up against a small issue. How do you add line breaks or paragraph spaces to the description text so it doesn’t look like a single paragraph?

Cheers
Alek

I added <br><br> between the lines to add paragraphs.

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thanks that worked.

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Does anyone have this mini model and knows how long the battery lasts?

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I’ve updated my webserver to tunnelling via fmtuner.org as a test.

I notice ping rates are a lot higher to Aust as it’s going to Slovenia and back at around 400ms compared with my local ddns of 50ms.

Not sure if anyone here uses it but if so let me know what your observation is like. I use noip which is now not reflected on the FMDX log map

!!! UPDATE !!!
Much thanks has to gp to Noobish who also created a shortcut to start webserver from my desktop. I then transfered the shortcut to the “Startup” folder which now allows the Webserver to “Autostart” after a PC reboot or Initial startup. This is the Final feature I have been wanting.

If anyother Webserver owners decide to use "Tunnelling " featrure ensure your Fireall/defender allows the tunnelling through otherwise you will be presented wiith an Error and Webserver wont start untill Defender is updated.

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