# COVID-19: Discussion of Impact šŸ˜· **URL:** \ **Category:** Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion\ **Tags:** coronavirus, covid-19\ **Created:** [March 13, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170 "2020-03-13T03:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 427
**Author:** ![turdall](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/turdall/32/217_2.png) [@turdall](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/turdall)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 7:46am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9038 "2021-02-14T07:46:22Z")
New Zealand has always stated they are targeting elimination. Australia hasnā€™t. If you target elimination then lockdowns will occur. Like all of Scott Morrisonā€™s decisions there has been no direction, no leadership and no clear messaging. ---
**Author:** ![TVHead](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/tvhead/32/160_2.png) [@TVHead](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/TVHead)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9039 "2021-02-14T10:04:05Z")
Much rather than this uncontrolled spread like what would have happened had Victoria not done the 3 month lockdown. We would be facing thousands of deaths a month. ---
**Author:** ![Pranks](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/pranks/32/1318_2.png) [@Pranks](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/Pranks)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:09am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9040 "2021-02-14T10:09:27Z")
> [@ryaneco](#): > > AU/NZ obsession with zero covid is going to be more detrimental long term than what covid is itselfā€¦ and even with comments that once the vaccine is here it doesnā€™t mean shit when it comes to restrictions and travel as it ā€œdoesnā€™t stop transmission, merely makes symptoms less severeā€ if thatā€™s the case what is our fucking end game? Bullet proof vaccines is the end game. That is probably a year off. The vaccine of today will just stabilise the chaos and guinea pig test the population. Then next year we re vaccinate. Mid 2023 is my guess for the dying off phase. Long road still ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/chris/32/542_2.png) [@Chris](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9041 "2021-02-14T10:16:51Z")
To be fair the entire country has been living almost normal for over 10 months now (with only some very minor speed bumps along the way). Iā€™m sure most people there would be good to take a few days of lockdown if it keeps them in the great position theyā€™ve been into. ---
**Author:** ![MrJ](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/mrj/32/85112_2.png) [@MrJ](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/MrJ)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:24am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9042 "2021-02-14T10:24:53Z")
Nzā€™s strategy and performance is the envy of the world, they donā€™t need to defend or explain anything. ---
**Author:** ![BJT2](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/bjt2/32/381_2.png) [@BJT2](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/BJT2)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:28am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9043 "2021-02-14T10:28:11Z")
> [@ryaneco](#): > > Three cases. Lockdown. Utter stupidity. > > AU/NZ obsession with zero covid is going to be more detrimental long term than what covid is itselfā€¦ and even with comments that once the vaccine is here it doesnā€™t mean shit when it comes to restrictions and travel as it ā€œdoesnā€™t stop transmission, merely makes symptoms less severeā€ if thatā€™s the case what is our fucking end game? Thatā€™s why Australiaā€™s economy is doing better than every other western country at the moment šŸ¤£šŸ‘ Must be doing something right. ---
**Author:** ![JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9dc877/32.png) [@JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/JohnsonTV)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 12:13pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9044 "2021-02-14T12:13:06Z")
No surprises there. > **[Australia stops quarantine-free travel for New Zealand after COVID-19 cases](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-14/australia-stops-quarantine-free-travel-for-new-zealand-covid19/13154240)** > > The trans-Tasman bubble was set up so people could fly from New Zealand to Australia without needing to spend 14 days in a hotel, but that has been stopped after New Zealand's recent outbreak. > It means any New Zealanders that fly into Australia from Monday (February 15) will have to spend a fortnight in hotel quarantine. > > The new rule will remain in place for the next three days before the situation is reassessed. ---
**Author:** ![MelbTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/melbtv/32/190136_2.png) [@MelbTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/MelbTV)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9045 "2021-02-14T22:23:15Z")
VICā€™s latest numbers - > ---
**Author:** ![OnAir](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/onair/32/88553_2.png) [@OnAir](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/OnAir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9046 "2021-02-14T22:28:19Z")
> [@ryaneco](#): > > Three cases. Lockdown. Utter stupidity. Fuck me, itā€™s been 11 months and you still donā€™t seem to get this? Itā€™s not the current presenting numbers thatā€™s the worry, itā€™s the potential exposure numbers that they may have unwittingly given the virus to. NZ has had other community cases pop up but they have been easily connected to the border/managed quarantine and contained - with no widespread travel or exposure events, this ā€˜clusterā€™ is as yet, not connected to MIQ and has the UK strain. Thatā€™s why NZ has gone into lockdown. ---
**Author:** ![ryaneco](https://forums.mediaspy.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@ryaneco](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/ryaneco)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9047 "2021-02-14T22:31:42Z")
I fucking get it and it is ridiculous the mental health impact, the economic impact is far too great to lockdown over an absurdly low number of cases. At this level management of the cases should be achievable. Track, trace and fucking isolate - Victoria demonstrated they can do it with Blackrock, NSW have demonstrated it with EVERY.SINGLE.OUTBREAK yet we have places locking down over single digits and a fear of a ā€˜mutant strainā€™ which its level of infectivity is debatable. ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/chris/32/542_2.png) [@Chris](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9048 "2021-02-14T22:49:16Z")
> [@OnAir](#): > > Itā€™s not the current presenting numbers thatā€™s the worry, itā€™s the potential exposure numbers that they may have unwittingly given the virus to. Yes but the main areas of concern have the wool wrapped around them now. Brunetti at the Melbourne Airport, the exposure site which appears to be the main driver behind the lockdown, has had none of the close contacts (12 other workers) test positive nor any of the significant proportion of customers that have been tested either. The second main exposure site was a private function, and the only positives in the entire state in the last few days are a small handful that attended this function. Weā€™ve otherwise had 0 cases at any exposure sites. The outstanding Victorian Government tracking and tracing which weā€™ve been able to rely on in recent months is what has kept this cluster much smaller so far than even the Black Rock cluster over Christmas and New Years. Iā€™m not completely opposed to the Lockdown at all but today Iā€™d like to hear a clear reason as to why it needs to continue. Iā€™m not seeing that itā€™s had any impact on cases or is really going too on the numbers. Of course health comes first but you need to weigh the risk with the benefit and I feel that risk has reduced 10 fold over the weekend. This short stint has had a massive blow to the Victorian econonmy on one of the busiest weekends of the year (Aus Open, Chinese New Year and Valentines Day) so every day further is impacting businesses that are already just trying to get back on their feet from the last lockdown. ---
**Author:** ![OnAir](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/onair/32/88553_2.png) [@OnAir](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/OnAir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9049 "2021-02-14T22:57:52Z")
> [@ryaneco](#): > > I fucking get it and it is ridiculous the mental health impact, the economic impact is far too great to lockdown over an absurdly low number of cases. > > At this level management of the cases should be achievable. Track, trace and fucking isolate - Victoria demonstrated they can do it with Blackrock, NSW have demonstrated it with EVERY.SINGLE.OUTBREAK yet we have places locking down over single digits and a fear of a ā€˜mutant strainā€™ which its level of infectivity is debatable. My post was from a NZ perspective about the latest lockdown. They canā€™t manage because thereā€™s too much unknown. Itā€™s the lockdown which gives them the time to do that. The infected family had travelled out of the region and werenā€™t scanning in either. Every other minor outbreak in NZ recently has been traceable, this hasnā€™t. Use capitals and full stops as much as you want but there is a reason to the process NZ has undertaken and thereā€™s been little pushback on this latest lockdown. > [@Chris](#): > > Yes but the main areas of concern have the wool wrapped around them now Oh, Iā€™m more talking from a NZ perspective. Living in Auckland. The lockdown and reasoning for it was clearly laid out last night. Agree with some of your points around Melbourne but I havenā€™t been following this outbreak as closely as others. ---
**Author:** ![Chris](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/chris/32/542_2.png) [@Chris](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/Chris)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9050 "2021-02-14T23:17:20Z")
Oh right. Yeah I would doubt that there are many that have an issue with the NZ lockdown. As Iā€™ve mentioned previously the fact that theyā€™ve lived a relatively normal life for a good 10 or so months, Iā€™m sure most people can handle a few days to be sure they get back to that place again. ---
**Author:** ![MrJ](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/mrj/32/85112_2.png) [@MrJ](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/MrJ)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9051 "2021-02-14T23:48:49Z")
The situation and rationale in Victorian and NZ situations are very similar, I thought Dan Andrews communicated it all pretty well on friday. He half expected that it would be a false alarm but by the time they knew for sure it could be too late. Apart from Sky news and Ryaneco I think Victorians mostly understand and have the patience for it. I for one hope that the govt would be brave enough to do a 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th lockdown if its what has to be done to avoid a 3rd wave. ---
**Author:** ![JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9dc877/32.png) [@JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/JohnsonTV)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9052 "2021-02-15T00:12:54Z")
> On people who recently arrived from NZ: > > ---
**Author:** ![TV-ACT](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/tv-act/32/167823_2.png) [@TV-ACT](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/TV-ACT)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9053 "2021-02-15T00:38:01Z")
> [@ryaneco](#): > > ā€¦obsession with zero covid is going to be more detrimental long term than what covid is itselfā€¦ Thatā€™s nonsense. Look at the devastation, both the huge numbers of deaths around the world, and the damage to the economies where itā€™s running rampant. Vic premier Dan Andrews is right that with the vaccine coming, itā€™s worth being cautious, stopping the spread, rather than wasting all the sacrifices people have had to make during 2020. > [@ryaneco](#): > > ā€¦once the vaccine is here it doesnā€™t mean shit when it comes to restrictions and travel as it ā€œdoesnā€™t stop transmission, merely makes symptoms less severeā€ if thatā€™s the case what is our fucking end game? I think itā€™ll depend on how it works in the real world. If everyone is vaccinated, COVID-19 becomes like the seasonal flu, and that didnā€™t stop travel. But I wouldnā€™t worry yet. There has been some evidence that the vaccines are reducing, even if not eliminating, transmission. > [@ryaneco](#): > > ā€¦ridiculous the mental health impact, the economic impact is far too great to lockdown over an absurdly low number of cases. Youā€™ve got it backwards: The reason case numbers are low is because the state governments are following the expertsā€™ advice, imposing restrictions before the virus gets out of hand. Once itā€™s controlled, every contact is quarantined, then life for everyone else returns to normal. Not dismissing the mental health impact, but having loved ones dying (which is happening in large numbers around the world) is of course also bad for mental wellbeing. (Right now) weā€™re only talking about 5 days here. ---
**Author:** ![JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9dc877/32.png) [@JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/JohnsonTV)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9054 "2021-02-15T01:04:25Z")
> **[ā€˜Quick out of the blocksā€™: Qld Health pounces on Melbourne visitors](https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/quick-out-of-the-blocks-qld-health-pounces-on-melbourne-visitors-20210214-p572em.html)** > > ā€œA lotā€ of the 1500 Victorian visitors linked to the Melbourne cluster have now left Queensland, while the remainder have been ordered to get tested and enter quarantine. > People in hotel quarantine in Queensland will no longer be able to use a nebuliser to treat asthma or other lung conditions following the outbreak in Melbourne. ---
**Author:** ![Troiboi](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/troiboi/32/482503_2.png) [@Troiboi](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/Troiboi)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9055 "2021-02-15T04:40:41Z")
Sky News strikes again. I didnā€™t realise it was a competition šŸ™„ > ---
**Author:** ![MrJ](https://forums.mediaspy.org/user_avatar/forums.mediaspy.org/mrj/32/85112_2.png) [@MrJ](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/MrJ)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9056 "2021-02-15T04:58:13Z")
Interesting that according to the [NYT vaccine tracker](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html) 3 months into the vaccine rollout 3 countries that are the furthest advanced are Israel (43% population vaccinated), Seychelles (39%), and Bahrain (14%). All 3 are among the worst in the world at the moment with 7 day average daily cases of covid. Clearly its going to take a very large proportion of any population to be vaccinated before the vaccine has any impact at all, let alone suppress the pandemic to a point where things can go back to normal. Australia, which isnā€™t even at the staring line, has a very long road ahead. ![image](https://mediaspy-org-s3.s3.dualstack.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/original/3X/c/4/c46f4dc01de4bea0cab39b7c864543ce8c57d16e.png) ---
**Author:** ![JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/j/9dc877/32.png) [@JohnsonTV](https://forums.mediaspy.org/u/JohnsonTV)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170/9057 "2021-02-15T05:04:40Z")
> **[First batch of 142,000 COVID-19 vaccines arrive in Australia](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-15/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-doses-arrive-australia-rollout/13155726)** > > The first doses of the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine touch down in Australia as preparations continue for the rollout to begin next week, Health Minister Greg Hunt says. > The Government is releasing 80,000 doses of the vaccine next week, with 50,000 going to states and territories to vaccinate frontline quarantine and health workers, and 30,000 to aged care and disability care residents and workers. > > Mr Hunt said the doses would be split up among the states based on their populations, and more information would be released later this week. Earlier, Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said the Gold Coast University Hospital would be the stateā€™s first vaccine hub, and would receive vials of the Pfizer vaccine next week. After the rollout is trialled at the Gold Coast the vaccine will be sent to hubs in Brisbane, the Sunshine Coast, Cairns and Townsville. [Previous page](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170.md?page=426) [Next page](https://forums.mediaspy.org/t/covid-19-discussion-of-impact/13170.md?page=428)